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Drugs

bannedontherun said:
Making it an offence to supply...
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True, but little action is taken against known suppliers, if it is the punishment is not a deterrent. Legalisation will mean those suppliers are more likely to be prosecuted for being under age or not paying tax or not registering as self employed etc... And they could still be prosecuted for supply to minors...
 
@Prof I see from another thread that you live in France. I didn't realise that. So do I, sorry if I came across as teaching you to suck eggs or whetever. Can you ask if you have a complémentaire ? I did for around 10 years before coming to the conclusion that it was costing more than I could justify, way more. Just didn't add up. Asking around, many people don't have one. Particularly the young. The joy of it though is you can sign up at the drop of a hat if you need.
 
astleyfox said:
If nothing else, legalising gives these awful substances gives them an air off normality. If they were legalised, do you think less, or more people would use them?
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I have no idea. Do we even know how many use them? I'd have to believe it would be more, but not necessarily many. Do you think people shouldn't have the choice to decide what they consume?
 
boondocks said:
@Prof I see from another thread that you live in France. I didn't realise that. So do I, sorry if I came across as teaching you to suck eggs or whetever. Can you ask if you have a complémentaire ? I did for around 10 years before coming to the conclusion that it was costing more than I could justify, way more. Just didn't add up. Asking around, many people don't have one. Particularly the young. The joy of it though is you can sign up at the drop of a hat if you need.
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I do have a complementaire as does my wife and I used to have it for the kids when they lived with us. It's a little expensive if you are fit and healthy and think that will continue. My son had Asthma from birth, I have minor ailment requiring constant attention but the security of knowing that if something happens my family can get great care without paying for it was important for me. It certainly was less wasteful tha all the other insurances we have/had. Dental work is expensive, glasses, hearing etc...

I understand people not having it as France offers a fair standard service with complementary insurance.

The government also recently changed the law and public employees (at least us low paid servants of the state ;-))now have their complementary health insurance subsidised by whomever they work for, so the "Académie" for me. I only pay half of what I did before.

When I arrived in france 30 years ago, I thought the British health service was on a par (possibly even a little better) with France, but the service in the UK has deteriorated terribly in those 3 decades. Inability to get public dentists, long waiting lists for ops, weeks to see a doctor - my mother sometimes cannot get to see a doctor at all. The French health system is now far in advance of the UK. Dentists can be a little wait, but doctors appointments are fast and ops and scans are good imo.
 
No available docs in my neck of the woods, the rural desert as they call it. And them retiring makes it even harder. Luckily, I've been registered with one since I arrived near 20 years ago. They retired but I was luckily shifted on to a new (and much younger! ) doc otherwise I'd be out of luck. The new doc is a bit limited but beggars and choosers etc. Fortunately I only need prescription renewals twice a year so no worries, touch wood.
 
And, yes, the UK does seem to be in a bad way these days, not that I have family there these days. Not that I keep in touch with at any rate. Touch wood, I've done alright health wise in France - GP, dentistry, glasses, hospital, etc.
 
boondocks said:
No available docs in my neck of the woods, the rural desert as they call it. And them retiring makes it even harder. Luckily, I've been registered with one since I arrived near 20 years ago. They retired but I was luckily shifted on to a new (and much younger! ) doc otherwise I'd be out of luck. The new doc is a bit limited but beggars and choosers etc. Fortunately I only need prescription renewals twice a year so no worries, touch wood.
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Here I can get up, feel ill, go straight to a doctor, not even my own, and be seen.
 
boondocks said:
And, yes, the UK does seem to be in a bad way these days, not that I have family there these days. Not that I keep in touch with at any rate. Touch wood, I've done alright health wise in France - GP, dentistry, glasses, hospital, etc.
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About 6 months ago, my son got ill, went to the doc, had bloods the same day, results that evening, looked like HepA, doc arranged for an immediate trip to the clinic (45kms) for more tests. Came home. Got worse. Called emergency, ambulance out to hospital A&E (85kms). tested. Ambulance/taxi home. Tests showed not HepA. got worse, back to hospital for overnight observation and more tests (could only be checked in Paris). Home. tests came back as a mix of hep and glandular fever which they hadn't seen before. Back to hospital for 4 days. Off 3 months. All paid for by the state and complimentary insurance. Apparently, he was probably infected by the blood of an assailant during a scuffle a few days prior when he saved a young child (he's a cop).
 
astleyfox said:
So you would legalise crack cocaine, heroin?
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Yes
Criminal gangs make a fortune from it and people od because they have no idea of the purity.
If it’s controlled there would be fewer deaths, less money in the pockets of criminals and the tax could be used to educate and get people of drugs.
All drugs are effectively purer, cheaper and more readily accessible than before the war on drugs started.
 
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hackneyfox said:
Yes
Criminal gangs make a fortune from it and people od because they have no idea of the purity.
If it’s controlled there would be fewer deaths, less money in the pockets of criminals and the tax could be used to educate and get people of drugs.
All drugs are effectively purer, cheaper and more readily accessible than before the war on drugs started.
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w is making it illegal, “controlling it”?
 
Prof said:
I have no idea. Do we even know how many use them? I'd have to believe it would be more, but not necessarily many. Do you think people shouldn't have the choice to decide what they consume?
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Do you think adults should be legally allowed to carry firearms?
 
hackneyfox said:
What you put in your own body should be down to you, gun control has nothing to do with whether drugs should be legalised or not.
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hackneyfox said:
What you put in your own body should be down to you, gun control has nothing to do with whether drugs should be legalised or not.
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So you put noxious substances into your body, then when you have seizures, or need withdrawal treatment, who provides that? Bonkers.
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astleyfox said:
Do you think adults should be legally allowed to carry firearms?
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They are and they do.

If you want my personal opinion (even though you didn't answer my question) I think they should be legally allowed to but no-one should do it.
 
hackneyfox said:
What you put in your own body should be down to you, gun control has nothing to do with whether drugs should be legalised or not.
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hackneyfox said:
What you put in your own body should be down to you, gun control has nothing to do with whether drugs should be legalised or not.
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So you put noxious substances into your body, then when you have seizures, or need withdrawal treatment, who provides that? Bonkers.
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We all put noxious substances into our body everyday. even if you are limiting this idea to "illegal" drugs then people still do it and when they have seizures or need withdrawal treatment it is provided. Legalising it doesn't make a difference, however legalising it and then allowing these drugs to only be distributed by certain places (like pharmacies) will mean more control and the taxes can go to the costs that presently are not covered by the user.
 
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Prof said:
We all put noxious substances into our body everyday. even if you are limiting this idea to "illegal" drugs then people still do it and when they have seizures or need withdrawal treatment it is provided. Legalising it doesn't make a difference, however legalising it and then allowing these drugs to only be distributed by certain places (like pharmacies) will mean more control and the taxes can go to the costs that presently are not covered by the user.
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hat noxious substances do we put into our bodies, every day?
 
Prof said:
Phthalates, VOCs, PFAs, Pesticides, formaldehydes, Lead, Mercury, food additives, air pollution .... The list goes on.
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So, most of the junkies in town are are zonked out, sweating and hallucinating, for the want of lead, pesticides and E-numbers?
 
astleyfox said:
So, most of the junkies in town are are zonked out, sweating and hallucinating, for the want of lead, pesticides and E-numbers?
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Far more people die from the list I gave you than cocaine overdoses.
 
astleyfox said:
You dont half talk some bollox for a Prof, Prof.
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True, but not in this instance. How many people do you know who have died from a drug overdose? I bet it's less than you know who have died from cancer.

Why do a few of you have a hangup with me being a teacher? It's as though you consider them superhuman. In the UK alone you have over 600,000 teachers. There are over 80 million teachers in the world. Teachers are just as much failed human beings as everyone else.

I sometimes wish I'd called myself Joe instead (no, that's not my name either).
 
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