Neets

Arlesey Foxile said:
Just for context this doesn't mean “27 migrants got a job for every Brit” or “Brits are being replaced 27 to 1”. It means that there were 290000 extra under 25s hired during those 6 years from non-EU countries and 11000 extra under 25s hired from Britain compared to pre-2019. The context is very important here
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Erm

That is not the win that you think it is - especially given that youth unemployment is at a 11 year high
 
Pen4 said:
Erm

That is not the win that you think it is - especially given that youth unemployment is at a 11 year high
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I wasn't looking for a win. Just wanted to make sure people didn't misunderstood the maths in the tweet, since the context is very important.

The 27:1 figure exists as a statistical comparison of growth and doesn't mean that 27 migrants were hired instead of each British worker.

Just wanted to clarify that.
 
There is an argument that no or low skilled and poorly paid jobs don’t appeal to the youth of today whereas unskilled migrants will take anything going.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, we all have choices to make and we live and die by the decisions that we make,
 
DagenhamFox said:
There is an argument that no or low skilled and poorly paid jobs don’t appeal to the youth of today whereas unskilled migrants will take anything going.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, we all have choices to make and we live and die by the decisions that we make,
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So those young bloods the NF party claim to be supporting them, will be happy to be forced to take up these jobs, right? Because that’s the only way the shortfall can be made up.

Perhaps Mo Yusuf can do another one of his Brass Eye vids explaining this?
 
707,000 job vacancies.

Plus entrepreneurship - which is the way to go if you have a good work ethic and any form of skill.
 
Brexit has been discussed many many times and I have made my feelings, and the reasons behind them, clear. The Referendum decision brought forward my retirement by at least five years.

But this thread is about Neets. Whether they are directly impacted by the restrictions on freedom of labour in Europe we don't know.

Feel free to carry on the pantomime banter though.
 
I believe that one of the problems is our education system. Each stage of exams is really only geared up to directing kids to the next stage of education. Everyone has realised that further education has become a business for universities and in a significant number of cases they are turning out young adults who are totally unprepared for the realities of work and in many cases they have a degree in useless subjects.
Young adults leave university thinking that 20 hours is a full time job and the reality is a nasty shock. We have let kids down for the last 15 years and now we have a generation who expectations will never be met.
 
What? said:
I believe that one of the problems is our education system. Each stage of exams is really only geared up to directing kids to the next stage of education. Everyone has realised that further education has become a business for universities and in a significant number of cases they are turning out young adults who are totally unprepared for the realities of work and in many cases they have a degree in useless subjects.
Young adults leave university thinking that 20 hours is a full time job and the reality is a nasty shock. We have let kids down for the last 15 years and now we have a generation who expectations will never be met.
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Potentially the answer is to offer more 4-year courses, where the 3rd year you’re paid, working in the industry you hope to go to.

At best, you are offered a paid role with that company post-graduation; as middling you get a paid role with another company within the same industry, at worst; you get an insight into the dynamics of day-to-day working life, even if you end up going to another industry afterwards.
 
What? said:
I believe that one of the problems is our education system. Each stage of exams is really only geared up to directing kids to the next stage of education. Everyone has realised that further education has become a business for universities and in a significant number of cases they are turning out young adults who are totally unprepared for the realities of work and in many cases they have a degree in useless subjects.
Young adults leave university thinking that 20 hours is a full time job and the reality is a nasty shock. We have let kids down for the last 15 years and now we have a generation who expectations will never be met.
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You make it sound as if the problem is the kids or parent pressure. They don't have to go to university, the parents could guide them into vocational training or apprentice them with local tradesmen. There are always jobs for plumbers and electricians and hairdressers etc... The money wasted on repaying a student loan could be used for their training or even setting them up in business. It's too easy to blame "education", it means nothing, society is education and chooses the path for established education to take. Each stage of education , "educates" and then verifies the level, the young people (kids is misleading when they can drink, vote and have sex etc.) and their parents then decide what they want to do next. "Education" gives them a choice which previous generations never had, it doesn't force anyone into a pathway.
 
Mistryman said:
Potentially the answer is to offer more 4-year courses, where the 3rd year you’re paid, working in the industry you hope to go to.

At best, you are offered a paid role with that company post-graduation; as middling you get a paid role with another company within the same industry, at worst; you get an insight into the dynamics of day-to-day working life, even if you end up going to another industry afterwards.
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or more sandwich courses.
 
What? said:
Based on my kids experience of university, most 3 year courses could be condensed into 2 or possibly 1 year - the kids are being ripped off
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I agree that the courses could be condensed (though that would involve the students working harder). Why did you send your adults (I presume they were 18+ and not prodigies) to university, especially when they are clearly such a waste of time?
 
What? said:
Based on my kids experience of university, most 3 year courses could be condensed into 2 or possibly 1 year - the kids are being ripped off
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What? said:
I believe that one of the problems is our education system. Each stage of exams is really only geared up to directing kids to the next stage of education. Everyone has realised that further education has become a business for universities and in a significant number of cases they are turning out young adults who are totally unprepared for the realities of work and in many cases they have a degree in useless subjects.
Young adults leave university thinking that 20 hours is a full time job and the reality is a nasty shock. We have let kids down for the last 15 years and now we have a generation who expectations will never be met.
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Agree with most except last paragraph. It’s been the Americanisation in terms of the profit motive that’s the root of the problem and that’s been developing over the last three or four decades.
 
Prof said:
I agree that the courses could be condensed (though that would involve the students working harder). Why did you send your adults (I presume they were 18+ and not prodigies) to university, especially when they are clearly such a waste of time?
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I didn't "send" them. They were guided by their teachers into further education and then conned by the university into think there was a guaranteed job at the end. And anyone under 30 is a kid to me

Fortunately both realised it wasn't for them and got out as soon as possible
 
What? said:
I didn't "send" them. They were guided by their teachers into further education and then conned by the university into think there was a guaranteed job at the end.

Fortunately both realised it wasn't for them and got out as soon as possible
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So you didn't advise them or talk to them? Or you did and they ignored you?

If they were told a job is guaranteed after getting a bachelor degree then common sense would have told them to steer well clear of that university and its lies, wouldn't it? Young adults are not that trusting or stupid.

If they "got out as soon as possible" what would you know about the second and third year of their course?

Do you think all courses are the same?

I found your sentence earlier " we have a generation who expectations will never be met." intriguing. sounds like entitlement and I agree that is where we as a society have let our young down. We've told them they can do anything they want, we've given them things and not made them work to get what they want. It makes me think of Top and the mess he has made of LCFC because he was spoilt and given the club without working through the necessary stages to be able to run it.
 
Prof said:
So you didn't advise them or talk to them? Or you did and they ignored you?

If they were told a job is guaranteed after getting a bachelor degree then common sense would have told them to steer well clear of that university and its lies, wouldn't it? Young adults are not that trusting or stupid.

If they "got out as soon as possible" what would you know about the second and third year of their course?

Do you think all courses are the same?

I found your sentence earlier " we have a generation who expectations will never be met." intriguing. sounds like entitlement and I agree that is where we as a society have let our young down. We've told them they can do anything they want, we've given them things and not made them work to get what they want. It makes me think of Top and the mess he has made of LCFC because he was spoilt and given the club without working through the necessary stages to be able to run it.
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Peer pressure and teacher pressure. At 18 they think they know everything and when a "tutor" tell them something they believe it, anyone who knows teenagers is well aware that they think their parents are ogres and out of touch

They might not all be the same courses but a lot are simply geared up to filling their lecture hall and on site accommodation, it's all about the money now

Fortunately there are still some universities that are turning out academics that we need, when I was at school they were the only universities,
we thickos went straight out to work
 
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