Never Thought I'd say this but

It's all pant wetting look at me nonsense from all these pundits and journo's. They're all complicit it in, they work for the very organisations that pumped billions in to the game. It's laughable now they're upset.

Where was all this outcry when Hammam wanted to take Wimbledon to Dublin, or when Winklemen dragged Wimbledon to MK (and I lost my job as a result)? When Macclesfield went bust? It was nowhere, now this soppy out pouring of faux rage.

If the fans of the Big 6 are concerned I can send them the numbers for some of the AFC Wimbledon lads, they have a blueprint of what to do and it takes 9 years. In fairness the FC United of Manchester lot did it 15 years ago and saw there was going to be an issue.
 
There was condemnation of the Wimbledon fiasco.

This is on another level though.

Not franchising one club. But franchising the whole sport in Europe.
 
Agreed ss - but Tartan is spot on.

This has been brewing for years...and frankly FIFA & UEFA talking about integrity is a fucking joke in itself.

Sky has been pandering to the top clubs for years - we all know this.
The Champions League has been refined and refined...simply to keep the big clubs quiet
European competitions were trimmed when we lost the Cup Winners Cup - at the behest of the richest so they could spread their games over two days
FFP is just a catastrophic joke to keep the big clubs happy
FIFA have dabbled with the idea of World Club Cups etc for years
Aside some vocal Man Utd fans...i don't recall too much complaining from these clubs about their owners in recent times
(worth remembering that only one club stood firm over "no" to PPV)

And many other minor offences to be taken into consideration.

Is is terrible. Yes.
Is one spitting feathers - yes.

But surprise it ain't and it is no good Sky et al getting their keks in a twist now...they are a huge part of this.

And their statement last night was a wet lettuce response with no promise not to be involved.

And frankly Carra's protestations that he didn't believe any player was motivated just by money is laughable. Drinkwater is already queueing up for a game....


Of course, I could be wrong....but I needed to get that out!
 
Spot on, Eggs. Sky took football away from the ”working man” when they were complicit in starting the PL 30 years ago. The fans were abandoned for global TV rights and ratings. The UK Government could have stopped it but they didn’t. Since then Sky and BT’s constant bigging up of the Big Six and dismissal of all other teams as makeweights to their main events has been blatant and it shows with their choice of pundits over the years. If you were big 6 in UK you could watch your teams games live on TV most weeks. If not you had to wait until your team played a big 6 team. And if you were not in the PL god help you! Up until the pandemic you could see all PL matches live in most places in the world but were not given this choice in the UK.
You know Sky and BT will be here in the bidding frenzy when the TV rights are up for grabs.
Crocodile tears indeed!
 
You lot are hard to please. When people say the right things they're still wrong

This isn't comparable to Wimbledon moving or clubs going bust, this is taking away the competitive element of it all, the whole reason for a league is have promotion and relegation otherwise what does it matter.
 
Not saying they are wrong at all - but the sanctimonious tone and rabid indignation is a little hard to swallow.

As for being hard to please - fook me I am a Leicester fan. We put up with shite for decades and still stuck with it. I was pleased with a decent passing move once every 4 matches. And an occasional corner.
 
What? said:
You lot are hard to please. When people say the right things they're still wrong

This isn't comparable to Wimbledon moving or clubs going bust, this is taking away the competitive element of it all, the whole reason for a league is have promotion and relegation otherwise what does it matter.
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It's exactly comparible to Wimbledon, except this time as it's the perceived big boys everyone is publically soiling themselves in fake indignation.

The competitive element isn't being taken away, we'll still play Villa, Leeds, Everton, not so much Derby or Forest, every season and the Euro club competitions will still be there. Domestic football will still carry on and the league will still be competitive. It'll just be minus a half dozen clubs. Twenty team top flight, 3 x 22 team tiers below, happy days.

This Super League is nothing more than an exhibition league, and if they believe there is a market for it then good luck to them, I find it hard to believe it's the golden goose. There will still a market for what us 'proper football fans' want, possibly even stronger than before if the outcry is channelled properly.
 
Agree Tartan. I think football needs a reset to a more sustainable model. I like to think the ESL might have presented an opportunity for that to happen.

Most of us on this site fell in love with football in the 60s 70s and 80s, when it was cheap to go, being at the game was everything, and as a result the crowd was predominantly young. It is that cohort which as they moved into middle age has financed the growth of the PL, and thence of the big 6, as a lot of us have been prepared to pay £35, not 35p, for entrance to a game, and a sports subscription of £600+ per year to watch our team on TV. Ok, so overseas TV rights are also very important (and that's a function of the internet), but where is the next generation coming from that will be committed to watching English top tier football, in person and on TV, for the prices that are now being charged?

I think that's a major, possibly existential problem, for the current structure of the English game. If we wave the BCC 6 off into the sunset, we have a chance to reset the game more sustainably, make going to a game or watching it on TV more economically accessible, and rebuild the mass audience for the next 30/40 years
 
Liking that model Bradnor - liking the sentiment too.

Could I add...if they do sail off, can they take Glen Hoddle & Alan Smith with them?
 
Surely that is for the whole of football to decide not the 6 school bullies.

I go and watch Coalville which amounts to the same thing because we know they're never going to get to league standards - but maybe just maybe.....
 
Bradnor said:
Agree Tartan. I think football needs a reset to a more sustainable model. I like to think the ESL might have presented an opportunity for that to happen.

Most of us on this site fell in love with football in the 60s 70s and 80s, when it was cheap to go, being at the game was everything, and as a result the crowd was predominantly young. It is that cohort which as they moved into middle age has financed the growth of the PL, and thence of the big 6, as a lot of us have been prepared to pay £35, not 35p, for entrance to a game, and a sports subscription of £600+ per year to watch our team on TV. Ok, so overseas TV rights are also very important (and that's a function of the internet), but where is the next generation coming from that will be committed to watching English top tier football, in person and on TV, for the prices that are now being charged?

I think that's a major, possibly existential problem, for the current structure of the English game. If we wave the BCC 6 off into the sunset, we have a chance to reset the game more sustainably, make going to a game or watching it on TV more economically accessible, and rebuild the mass audience for the next 30/40 years
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Well put, Bradnor. We could have something more like the German model - where the fans are involved in owning/running the clubs and where it's affordable to go to a match. It's unbelievable that we have allowed the game to get to a point where it's normal to pay £50 plus to watch a regular league game. This has been coming for years. The ESL will be like Formula One - a completely closed shop and boring as fook.
 
If we had won the league without the big boys competing it would've meant nothing.
If the top flight doesn't have all the top teams involved i for one will be finished with football
 
Wake up to the real world .......a brown envelope in the right quarter will see it through..... mill here or there makes a man up for life especially when you are talking of billions ........ this fucker smacks of all the dirty tricks the elite can muster but the almighty dollar will prevail unfortunately
 
perdix said:
If we had won the league without the big boys competing it would've meant nothing.
If the top flight doesn't have all the top teams involved i for one will be finished with football
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That's your choice.

Personally the thought of domestic football without the the 6 is so very appealing.
 
perdix said:
If we had won the league without the big boys competing it would've meant nothing.
If the top flight doesn't have all the top teams involved i for one will be finished with football
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Apparently we did win without the big boys competing..... 😉in fact some wankers reckon that’s the only reason we did win it
 
perdix said:
If we had won the league without the big boys competing it would've meant nothing.
If the top flight doesn't have all the top teams involved i for one will be finished with football
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Apparently we did win it without the big boys competing..... 😉in fact some wankers reckon that’s the only reason we did win the league how wrong they were....
 
TartanFox said:
It's exactly comparible to Wimbledon, except this time as it's the perceived big boys everyone is publically soiling themselves in fake indignation.

The competitive element isn't being taken away, we'll still play Villa, Leeds, Everton, not so much Derby or Forest, every season and the Euro club competitions will still be there. Domestic football will still carry on and the league will still be competitive. It'll just be minus a half dozen clubs. Twenty team top flight, 3 x 22 team tiers below, happy days.

This Super League is nothing more than an exhibition league, and if they believe there is a market for it then good luck to them, I find it hard to believe it's the golden goose. There will still a market for what us 'proper football fans' want, possibly even stronger than before if the outcry is channeled properly.
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Interesting Tartan that you believe Wimbledon's fate to be 'exactly the same' as this breakaway. You'll know better than me re surrounding circumstances, but I understood the Wimbledon position as an indebted Club looking for a route to survival. (I agree that that is similar if not the same for 11 of the 12 EBCCs.)

Wimbledon however, underwent a takeover sanctioned by EFL. Following completion of this transaction and the subsequent acquisition of the golden share, a case was made by the new owner, and application granted by the EFL to relocate the Club to MK. It was then deemed inappropriate for the new Club to be known as Wimbledon so a name change finished the job. This is completely the opposite to the ESL, because this new proposal is a complete breakaway from the current subscribed Leagues, whereas Wimbledon/MK are still playing in the same EFL, against the same teams. They could be relegated to the National Leagues; they could be promoted to the Prem. (I presume this is what what? means when he mentions removing 'the competitive element' [in the ESL]).

The EFL realised their mistake too late, and immediately brought regs into play to prevent franchise football ever happening again. This of course is no consolation to Wimbledon fans, but in fairness to the League this saga was played out over a period of time, with no doubt, the intention of distraction from the true motives of the buyout team.

Far from seeking a buyer, the EBCCs have plotted a way of enfranchising themselves out of debt, thereby fashioning a route to a few more £millions into the bargain, while at the same time disenfranchising their lifeblood support without the slightest care, embarrassment nor nod to the possible emotional damage that these fans may suffer as a result. (On this latter, here too, I agree that scale notwithstanding it is exactly the same as the Wimbledon catastrophe.)

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bruin said:
Interesting Tartan that you believe Wimbledon's fate to be 'exactly the same' as this breakaway. You'll know better than me re surrounding circumstances, but I understood the Wimbledon position as an indebted Club looking for a route to survival. (I agree that that is similar if not the same for 11 of the 12 EBCCs.)

Wimbledon however, underwent a takeover sanctioned by EFL. Following completion of this transaction and the subsequent acquisition of the golden share, a case was made by the new owner, and application granted by the EFL to relocate the Club to MK. It was then deemed inappropriate for the new Club to be known as Wimbledon so a name change finished the job. This is completely the opposite to the ESL, because this new proposal is a complete breakaway from the current subscribed Leagues, whereas Wimbledon/MK are still playing in the same EFL, against the same teams. They could be relegated to the National Leagues; they could be promoted to the Prem. (I presume this is what what? means when he mentions removing 'the competitive element' [in the ESL]).

The EFL realised their mistake too late, and immediately brought regs into play to prevent franchise football ever happening again. This of course is no consolation to Wimbledon fans, but in fairness to the League this saga was played out over a period of time, with no doubt, the intention of distraction from the true motives of the buyout team.

Far from seeking a buyer, the EBCCs have plotted a way of enfranchising themselves out of debt, thereby fashioning a route to a few more £millions into the bargain, while at the same time disenfranchising their lifeblood support without the slightest care, embarrassment nor nod to the possible emotional damage that these fans may suffer as a result. (On this latter, here too, I agree that scale notwithstanding it is exactly the same as the Wimbledon catastrophe.)

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We're in a agreement about paragraph one and 4. These clubs perceive it as a route to financial security, but it's a massive gamble if you ask me and the staggering arrogance that they'd seem to think they could just carry on playing on a Saturday in their domestic leagues is astounding. That's where my 'the same' stance is located.

With regards paras 2 & 3, you're correct regarding sanctioning of the move, but there had been discussions of how to incorporate the 'new home' in to the club badge, I was in many of them. But when AFCW took off so spectacularly, and that surprised Winkleman (he was buzzing by all accounts) and the authorities, it expidited the name change, and allowed the authorities to draw a line under it.

My counter point to the loss of competitiveness in what what? posted (and others in the fallout of this have said), is the implication that football will, on a domestic and Euro club competition level, cease to be competitive and collapse. For me I see it as the European club game will cease to have 12 teams in it.
 
NorthwestFox said:
Spot on, Eggs. Sky took football away from the ”working man” when they were complicit in starting the PL 30 years ago. The fans were abandoned for global TV rights and ratings. The UK Government could have stopped it but they didn’t. Since then Sky and BT’s constant bigging up of the Big Six and dismissal of all other teams as makeweights to their main events has been blatant and it shows with their choice of pundits over the years. If you were big 6 in UK you could watch your teams games live on TV most weeks. If not you had to wait until your team played a big 6 team. And if you were not in the PL god help you! Up until the pandemic you could see all PL matches live in most places in the world but were not given this choice in the UK.
You know Sky and BT will be here in the bidding frenzy when the TV rights are up for grabs.
Crocodile tears indeed!
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Are you really complaining that there aren't enough PL games on live TV in the UK?? Really?
 
Speaking to a plastic Spurs fan this morning here he’s getting a season ticket at Oxford next year.

Speaking to a plastic scouse mate from Cumbria yesterday he’s going down Brunton park next year.

This could mean the long overdue death of the plastic twat.
 
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