2nd lockdown

Call it what you like but it it is a scam to change our country for ever and place huge restrictions on ordinary people.

These will include;
No private transport.
No air travel.
No public association, pubs, restaurants and leisure facilities to be closed.
Covid Passports to access NHS, education and all other social services.
Covid Passports to access jobs, banks, money and supermarkets.
Meat rationing, move to vegetarian and vegan based diet.
Energy rationing as we run down our generating capacity.

Much of this is already happening and being 'normalised' by the day.


Agreed, but this is going to be a doozy.

Arite bnet calm down.

What a load of bollocks that list you have compiled there is.
 
So what's the solution dicky?
The govt is inept, but you can't change it till 2023 at the earliest.
You can stay in as much as you can, wear a mask when you go out, stay 6 feet away from people. You don't need the govt to legislate common sense do you?
The less people who don't have to go out, don't, the safer it makes it for those that have no choice.
 
It's not real is it.
The first one everything stopped, traffic was at a minimal. 20 minutes to get to work instead of the usual 50 minutes.
This one the traffic ain't changed a bit.
All they've done is stop you doing the things you enjoy in life and going to see your family and you all fucking live it.
Queueing up little little lambs for the slaughter.
Chest out, proud as punch as the MSN call you Heroes.
You little heroes you.
Your life is so empty you clutch on to any false praise.
I'm sure there's a medical term for it.
Why should anyone take the slightest jot of notice of such a despicable man? Lock yourself in the lavatory!!!!! I'm quite certain you'll enjoy being locked up then, and by the way, you ought to be locked up. Have you ever considered that?!?!!!!

And for those who are wondering how Lavatory Vanles will reply, his replies arwe all the same. Replies of rabid sex acts performed by drunken idiots or a never ending defication festival of abysmal toilet filth!!!
 
Interestingly, the word ‘vaccine’ comes from the Latin ‘vacca’ meaning ‘cow’, because since the late 18th Century vaccines have been used to cow the populace into submission with microchips
 
Have you seen the colour coded maps of the country that demonstrate that vast swathes of the country are being locked down with very little of it around?

It’s Mental. And rather than locking everyone down why don’t they provide time slots for those vulnerable to go about their business rather than a blanket ban on everyone?
 
I didn't think I would need to add they also love eating meat. I don't think they have many plant-based alternatives at their posh dinners.
I do not think that this will apply to the rich elite.

Sorry, I really have to wonder about the sources you use for the info you share.

I would suggest that you widen your pool of Information sources, maybe then you wouldn't be quite so fearful for the future.

If I could pick you up on your comments on private transport, why does it become untenable and who has told you its going to happen?
I rarely give sources as I simply distrust the media and treat any specific piece of news or information with deep suspicion. I base my views on an overall view of what I see happening, this does not always seem logical because what I see does not conform to what I am being told and sometimes my views seem contrary. I put this down to a lack of understanding of the big picture.

The British government are planning to phase out ICE powered vehicles, timescale is still under discussion but suggestions are 2040 or sooner. We are also reducing our generating capacity, so power will be limited. The implications are obvious.
I hope you dont mind me asking AFCD, but are you a stoner?

Is it compulsory?
 
I do not think that this will apply to the rich elite.


I rarely give sources as I simply distrust the media and treat any specific piece of news or information with deep suspicion. I base my views on an overall view of what I see happening, this does not always seem logical because what I see does not conform to what I am being told and sometimes my views seem contrary. I put this down to a lack of understanding of the big picture.

The British government are planning to phase out ICE powered vehicles, timescale is still under discussion but suggestions are 2040 or sooner. We are also reducing our generating capacity, so power will be limited. The implications are obvious.


Is it compulsory?
Expected to be 2030 but it's a ban on new fossil fuel vehicles not them being phased out by then. Electric vehicles will be vastly improved by then, absolutely no reason as to why we'd see private cars banned.
 
Have you seen the colour coded maps of the country that demonstrate that vast swathes of the country are being locked down with very little of it around?

It’s Mental. And rather than locking everyone down why don’t they provide time slots for those vulnerable to go about their business rather than a blanket ban on everyone?
Timeslots for the vulnerable?
You've got no chance of enforcing that. That and the fact that half the country are old or obese enough to be able to claim their vulnerable.
 
Expected to be 2030 but it's a ban on new fossil fuel vehicles not them being phased out by then. Electric vehicles will be vastly improved by then, absolutely no reason as to why we'd see private cars banned.
I fail to see how the government, having banned new ICE vehicles will allow old ones to stay on the road, it may take a few years but they will be gone.

I think the technology of electric vehicles is pretty well understood, the improvements are expected but the capability of the industry will not begin to cope with demand. That is before you even begin to generate the power needed, build the grid to distribute it and the charging points for the cars.

You will be very lucky indeed to run a private motor car, wealthy or 'important' too. The 21st century version of Zil Lanes.
 
I fail to see how the government, having banned new ICE vehicles will allow old ones to stay on the road, it may take a few years but they will be gone.

I think the technology of electric vehicles is pretty well understood, the improvements are expected but the capability of the industry will not begin to cope with demand. That is before you even begin to generate the power needed, build the grid to distribute it and the charging points for the cars.

You will be very lucky indeed to run a private motor car, wealthy or 'important' too. The 21st century version of Zil Lanes.
What utter baselesss drivel.
Private companies make electric cars, private companies build charging stations.
It's all underway here in california.
It's easy to get an outdoor charging point installed at your house, loads of my friends have them. A lot of retail stores have charging points so you can charge while you shop.
You make it sound like we're going to the moon, it's just electricity.
 
I am quite sure what you say is correct as far as it goes, some parts of California are astonishingly wealthy, but I simply do not think that you have any idea of the scale of what needs to be built to make that happen state wide.

The UK is a very different issue too, there is simply not the power generating or grid capacity, to generate what will be needed.
 
I am quite sure what you say is correct as far as it goes, some parts of California are astonishingly wealthy, but I simply do not think that you have any idea of the scale of what needs to be built to make that happen state wide.

The UK is a very different issue too, there is simply not the power generating or grid capacity, to generate what will be needed.
Come to Coventry, there's one or two electric chargers on every street corner (not just the city centre)
 
I am quite sure what you say is correct as far as it goes, some parts of California are astonishingly wealthy, but I simply do not think that you have any idea of the scale of what needs to be built to make that happen state wide.

The UK is a very different issue too, there is simply not the power generating or grid capacity, to generate what will be needed.
California is the size of the UK, if we can do it, so can you lot.
 
That would involve importing untold thousands of insufferable, upper-middle-class douchebags and depositing them in a foriegn land - thus transforming England into a vacuous shit-hole. The task would be Herculean in effort and detrimental to the country.
 
I do not think that this will apply to the rich elite.


I rarely give sources as I simply distrust the media and treat any specific piece of news or information with deep suspicion. I base my views on an overall view of what I see happening, this does not always seem logical because what I see does not conform to what I am being told and sometimes my views seem contrary. I put this down to a lack of understanding of the big picture.

The British government are planning to phase out ICE powered vehicles, timescale is still under discussion but suggestions are 2040 or sooner. We are also reducing our generating capacity, so power will be limited. The implications are obvious.


Is it compulsory?
No, I have just noticed that most of the tin hatters I know imbibe the herd. It is known that heavy use causes paranoia. Not proven by any means, my research is ongoing. Was that a yes or a no?
 
Today we hear that the government is attempting to change the Tier system, for the period after the 2nd Lockdown has ended. They want a significant easing on restrictions, to make December more "normal".

This is obviously welcome, but how could they be so certain that the current lockdown has worked already? They chose to put us under these restrictions and must have a roadmap for getting out of this. Are we to assume that they think the current lockdown has worked already? With over two weeks left to run.
 
Come to Coventry, there's one or two electric chargers on every street corner (not just the city centre)
Better keep going, you're going to need one or two outside every house.
California is the size of the UK, if we can do it, so can you lot.
Well, you haven't actually done it yet have you? I appreciate that you have to make a start somewhere but I think the scale of the project is way beyond what is possible. Rich areas of LA, Silicon Valley maybe, but the cost will be high and eventually you will have rationing, if only by cost.

You will also need quite a lot of electric power, it has to come from somewhere. Not doing so well there either.
No, I have just noticed that most of the tin hatters I know imbibe the herd. It is known that heavy use causes paranoia. Not proven by any means, my research is ongoing. Was that a yes or a no?
My 'paranoia', as you term it is entirely self induced.

Seriously, Astleyfox, get over yourself. People are allowed to have different views to you without being accused of such nonsense.
 
This is all getting a bit off topic, however, I don't see what the big deal is.

There are too many cars on the road, we need to change. Improving public transport would be a start.

Approx 25% of car journeys are less than 1 mile. There's enough lazy twats near where I live drive to drop off their kids when they only live round the corner. The mindset in this country needs to change away from jumping in the car just to pop up the road.

Why have things changed so much that as soon as a kid turns 17 they have to have a car? 3 or 4 cars per household is becoming the norm. It's unnecessary and adds to the congestion and pollution.
 
This is all getting a bit off topic, however, I don't see what the big deal is.

There are too many cars on the road, we need to change. Improving public transport would be a start.

Approx 25% of car journeys are less than 1 mile. There's enough lazy twats near where I live drive to drop off their kids when they only live round the corner. The mindset in this country needs to change away from jumping in the car just to pop up the road.

Why have things changed so much that as soon as a kid turns 17 they have to have a car? 3 or 4 cars per household is becoming the norm. It's unnecessary and adds to the congestion and pollution.
Actually, there is a sensible and very serious discussion to be had here. We rely on and use motor vehicles far too much but our society is built on them, the changes will need to be massive.

In recent years (since 2008) Mrs AFC and I have one vehicle and mileage is modest, about 5K per year, usually less. Living in west London and now in urban Dorset (BCP) we walk and use public transport a lot and built our lifestyle around that.

We could loose the car and simply use taxi's when necessary, probably save some money. But the shear convenience of owning and running your own transport is, for the moment, very much worthwhile.
 
Better keep going, you're going to need one or two outside every house.

Well, you haven't actually done it yet have you? I appreciate that you have to make a start somewhere but I think the scale of the project is way beyond what is possible. Rich areas of LA, Silicon Valley maybe, but the cost will be high and eventually you will have rationing, if only by cost.

You will also need quite a lot of electric power, it has to come from somewhere. Not doing so well there either.

My 'paranoia', as you term it is entirely self induced.

Seriously, Astleyfox, get over yourself. People are allowed to have different views to you without being accused of such nonsense.
Im not accusing anyone. Im researching. A lot of cannabis users I know, have these views. Maybe you and Dickie are debunking the theory.
 
No fossil fuel powered cars equals no tax take. Solution is road pricing. Big Brother will know your every move. Throw your sat navs away now.
 
I hope not astleyfox. I would feel offended if that were the case.

Personally I find heavy drug users tedious and boring, so I stay well clear. Saw enough of the during my years in and around the music business.

I readily admit that I see the world from a very different perspective to most on here, I have come to the conclusion that ordinary people are being played and that this is apparent in virtually all forms of life.

I consider myself lucky that I have done quite a lot during my life and had a good time doing it, For that I am thankful.
Another 20+ years would be nice.
 
I am quite sure what you say is correct as far as it goes, some parts of California are astonishingly wealthy, but I simply do not think that you have any idea of the scale of what needs to be built to make that happen state wide.

The UK is a very different issue too, there is simply not the power generating or grid capacity, to generate what will be needed.
Hi, I would implore you to do some more substantial research, I think you would find that you are way off in your assumptions regarding energy capacity and requirements for the switch to EVs.

This is from the national grid:

Enough capacity exists
With the first of these, the energy element, the most demand for electricity we’ve had in recent years in the UK was for 62GW in 2002. Since then, due to improved energy efficiency such as the installation of solar panels, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16 per cent. Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation.


There is also a push from vehicle manufacturers to move away from the classic model of ownership to a system that looks more like a subscription service.
 
the shift away from car ownership has been happening for years. its cheaper to call an uber when required. a very quick google showed from 2007 to 2017 a 30% drop in teenagers taking their test. that's huge.

why will houses need two charging points? as pointed out, most journeys are short - a once a week charge will suffice for many many people. an EV is not like your phone, where it needs charging every day.

but knowing the speed the car manufacturers can adapt, to think that all new cars will be electric by 2030 is hugely challenging.
 
The cut off for ice vehicles is 2035, and so far ev sales are up 127% vs last year, I think the change will be here sooner than people think
 
I admire but do not share your optimism.

As I said to Sixthswan on an adjacent thread, I really hope you guys are right and I am terribly wrong but there is no way to resolve this as a discussion, we will simply have to wait and see what occurs.
 
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