Are labour screwed?

You could make an argument that this helps Labour, post Corbyn those on the harder left could be leaving the party.

After all Labour are ahead in the polls, although we are so far from an election current polls are pretty irrelevant
 
You could make an argument that this helps Labour, post Corbyn those on the harder left could be leaving the party.

After all Labour are ahead in the polls, although we are so far from an election current polls are pretty irrelevant
Yeah, agreed, labour voters who have a real interest in politics to actually join the party are leaving in their droves. Yet those that are not interested in politics just a label are now prepared to vote for them.
Fine line I guess
 
Mostly Corbynites. The do need to stop the in-fighting and present a united front at election time though or they'll hand it to the Tories again. At least they have plenty of time.
 
Mostly Corbynites. The do need to stop the in-fighting and present a united front at election time though or they'll hand it to the Tories again. At least they have plenty of time.
You call them Corbynites I'll call them socialists. Which is surely what the Labour Party should be.
Socialism was here long before Corbynism and will be here long after he's gone.
 
And they’ll struggle to get elected whilst Socialism has people like Mr Corbyn as their leader
So Corbyn leads socialism now!
While sympathising with terrorists
Spying for Czechoslovakia
Being an anti Semite, is there no end to this mans talents!
You absolute tithead.
 
I've been a Labour party member for 35+ years, except for the Corbyn period. Fucking disastrous.
 
Labour membership rose dramatically under corbyn (and it made them less electable, go figure), it'll settle down to pre corbyn levels now he isn't leader. Party membership is not indicative of support at the polls.
Starmer is moving the party to the center.
Momentum lest we forget, managed to get a leader elected who lost 2 elections to the worst govt in a century.
They need to form their own party and see how electable they are.
The UK is ostensibly a right leaning country. Since 1951 only 24 years have been under Labour govt, 24!
All i hear from corbyn lovers is, the man is perfect, he can never be wrong, anything bad is always somebody elses fault.
antisemitism - not his fault
election loss - biased media smeared him
brexit policy - he was just being practical

and he was tagged as an IRA lover. whether you think that's fair or not his supporters should acknowledge that it's baggage at election time.

He's like michael foot without the intellectual gravitas.
What Labour is going through is a rerun of the post 1983 election loss, with the party purging leftists and moving toward the center. It's the only hope, there is no magical untapped electorate just waiting to vote for a lefty corbyn-like leader.
 
Not too long ago, the Tories were seen an unelectable.

Trends change. Workington Man will feel betrayed eventually. Worcester Woman might find Starmer more appealing than the slightly tapped Boris. Labour will change and return to power at some point.
 
Not too long ago, the Tories were seen an unelectable.

Trends change. Workington Man will feel betrayed eventually. Worcester Woman might find Starmer more appealing than the slightly tapped Boris. Labour will change and return to power at some point.
God I hope not. Not in its present form anyway.
 
That's a fair point. And isn't it so refreshing to hear Keir endlessly but simply curing all the world's ills by shouting "get a grip!"
 
Got to be better than this shower of crooks who are only interested in how much money they and their cronies can steal before they are booted out.
It's one way of looking at it but as I see it Starmer is moulding the party into a new labour model and look at the murders that party committed in the world.
Boris is heavily criticised for his inactions through covid and the lives lost but look how many died through Blairs actions.
Just because their skins were darker than ours and a few thousand miles away it seems to be acceptable.
 
I'm not so sure that Starmer is planning become the new Tony Blair.

Can't think that on his agenda, is a plot to blindly believe a US President about WMD in Iraq.

Anymore so than Churchill-ophile Boris is planning to be "strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes" such as the Kurds, or to allow the Bengal famine to continue (killing 3 million people).
 
It's one way of looking at it but as I see it Starmer is moulding the party into a new labour model and look at the murders that party committed in the world.
Boris is heavily criticised for his inactions through covid and the lives lost but look how many died through Blairs actions.
Just because their skins were darker than ours and a few thousand miles away it seems to be acceptable.
They made a wrong decision, that's on Blair's hands. You can't just assume Starmer would do the same because he's more like Blair politically.
 
Well my assumption was that Boris would be a complete disaster and I don't think I was far off 🙂
That's because Boris's track record has been to always fail upwards. It's pretty easy to make assumptions using his own history.
You seem to be making assumptions about Starmer based on Blairs history, which has no predictive or causal validity.
 
That's because Boris's track record has been to always fail upwards. It's pretty easy to make assumptions using his own history.
You seem to be making assumptions about Starmer based on Blairs history, which has no predictive or causal validity.
Well his history as a public prosecutor doesn't give me much confidence and anyone with children should be even more worried if we view his record regarding Jimmy Savile
 
In 2008 the original complainant against Savile, was not willing to go to court over the matter. In 2009 four accusers also declined to go to court over their claims against Savile. Which means a prosecution couldn't proceed.

The reviewing lawyer failed to inform the accusers, that they weren't the only accuser.

With your deep understanding of the role of the Head of the CPS, please kindly tell us what Starmer was guilty of?
 
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