Brexit and fishing rights.

hackneyfox

hackneyfox

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Currently fishing employs 24,000 people and accounts for 0.1% of GDP.*
If we had the rights to all the fish in UK waters just how much difference would it make?
Enough to risk a no deal which apparently would knock 2% off GDP and cost many thousands of jobs?
If we accept what is currently on offer where we reagin some of our waters over the next few years is that not good enough?
The leather trade is worth more and is reliant on EY trade but I don't hear Andrew Bridgen banging on about that.

*There were 1.1 million financial services jobs in the UK, 3.1% of all jobs.
 
If you owned a shop in Hackney and you ran a discount card scheme that said you can get a discount if you don’t buy stuff from other shops. And your customers said fuck your discount card scheme we want to be able to shop where we want. Would you ban them from your shop completely, punish them and charge them extra to use your shop, or would you think fuck I don’t want to lose that much money from their business?
 
Who knows to what extent the two things are connected....but it seems that 5 families control over a quarter of the UK's fishing quotas. Said families all appear on the annual Times Rich List, apparently. Perhaps that helped push it up the political agenda?
 
Shock horror, do you mean they don’t have our best interests at heart? I thought they were doing this for us, for the people!
 
jackieguaccamo said:
If you owned a shop in Hackney and you ran a discount card scheme that said you can get a discount if you don’t buy stuff from other shops. And your customers said fuck your discount card scheme we want to be able to shop where we want. Would you ban them from your shop completely, punish them and charge them extra to use your shop, or would you think fuck I don’t want to lose that much money from their business?
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Doesn't that equally apply to what I posted?
Why do we want to risk other jobs over fishing right when they make up such a small proportion of employment and GDP?

If you owned a discount shop, that had very few customers, and a very successful supermarket would you refuse to serve people in the supermarket if they chose not to use your discount shop?
 
Bizarrely we don't have anywhere near enough trawlers to take advantage anyway so we'd probably end up subbing it back to the existing fishy fellahs
 
Spot on with the bluster, he keeps exaggerating how far apart the two sides are and makes out how he'll get it all sorted.
If it gets sorted it'll be through negotiation not by him having dinner with Merkel. She was spot on about turning down that request.
 
When the deal is announced, Boris will portray himself as the leader; who made the EU cave in to his demands.

But it will have been him who blinked first...
 
The majority narrative, will be that BJ is the hero. We will probably see his face superimposed on a knight in shining armour, atop a horse, with sword held aloft. Union Jack in place.

In reality, he will have just conceded enough; to placate the much stronger EU.
 
who cares who blinked first, or who gave what concessions? getting a deal that works for both is what's important.

this obsession with "being strong", and not being seen to compromise, is why every brexit deadline has come and gone and then extended and then ends in posturing about gun boats.
 
Nice idea Adumass but unfortuntely that's not how Johnson works, he'll have the ERG on his case if it seems that he's backed down.
Still at least we have 'gun boats defending our fish'.
 
I had hoped that Johnson would smash the ERG, for one and for all. But sadly, he is still trying to appease them.

The ERG. Never was so much damage caused, by so few, that effects so many.
 
Adumass said:
who cares who blinked first, or who gave what concessions? getting a deal that works for both is what's important.

this obsession with "being strong", and not being seen to compromise, is why every brexit deadline has come and gone and then extended and then ends in posturing about gun boats.
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That's the sad thing isn't it? Possibly because we have all educated ourselves much much more about the trials & tribulations our soldiers experienced in WW1 & WW2, this knowledge (& attitude) to some degree now seeps into every aspect of conversation & our lives.

"I'd hate to be stuck in the trenches with someone like you"

"We have to defend our borders/waters!"

"Send in the gun boats!"

"An invasion of immigrants"

"We are being swarmed"

Far too many people who have only ever watched a war film, think they actually fought in WW2.
 
BbC are so terrified of upsetting him they’ll tow the Govt line .Laura Kuensberg is so far up Boris’ back passage it’s embarrassing
 
As is often the case, the usual suspects simply do not get it.

If we actually leave the eu, still highly unlikely in my view, the rights to the fishing grounds revert to us. No ifs or buts, that is the default position. I would be perfectly happy to negotiate decent terms with anyone who wants access and is prepared to abide by our rules.

We could limit access to a degree to help restore fish stocks whilst building our own sustainable fishing industry, the advantages of this are obvious to anyone.

What has really made this an issue for many people is the demands being made by the eu lead primarily by the French, not requests not offers to negotiate but demands. Seems like more of the usual from the eu.
 
AFCDorset said:
As is often the case, the usual suspects simply do not get it.

If we actually leave the eu, still highly unlikely in my view, the rights to the fishing grounds revert to us. No ifs or buts, that is the default position. I would be perfectly happy to negotiate decent terms with anyone who wants access and is prepared to abide by our rules.

We could limit access to a degree to help restore fish stocks whilst building our own sustainable fishing industry, the advantages of this are obvious to anyone.

What has really made this an issue for many people is the demands being made by the eu lead primarily by the French, not requests not offers to negotiate but demands. Seems like more of the usual from the eu.
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We have actually left the EU.
 
AFCDorset said:
As is often the case, the usual suspects simply do not get it.

If we actually leave the eu, still highly unlikely in my view, the rights to the fishing grounds revert to us. No ifs or buts, that is the default position. I would be perfectly happy to negotiate decent terms with anyone who wants access and is prepared to abide by our rules.

We could limit access to a degree to help restore fish stocks whilst building our own sustainable fishing industry, the advantages of this are obvious to anyone.

What has really made this an issue for many people is the demands being made by the eu lead primarily by the French, not requests not offers to negotiate but demands. Seems like more of the usual from the eu.
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we do control our waters, its just that those rights were sold on
 
SardiniaFox said:
We have actually left the EU.
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Brino.

If we we agree to be subject to eu rules, ie 'the level playing field' regulated by the ECJ and continue to give them money, (along with giving access to our sovereign territory) we have not left.

This appears to be the 'deal' under discussion.

This is vassalage, naturally it will be 'sold' to us as something else entirely.
 
AFCDorset said:
Brino.

If we we agree to be subject to eu rules, ie 'the level playing field' regulated by the ECJ and continue to give them money, (along with giving access to our sovereign territory) we have not left.

This appears to be the 'deal' under discussion.

This is vassalage, naturally it will be 'sold' to us as something else entirely.
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No MEPs, so no parliamentary representation. Limited rights for UK citizens in Europe.

We have left. Stop denying it.
 
We won't have a seat at the table though. So we've left.

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And a bit of MSM, that sums it up nicely. The Leavers were had. Thanks for nothing...

--https://www.ft.com/content/955dc9c9-d5a8-4fd5-a66b-ef28c9f70e2c
 
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AFCDorset said:
Brino.

If we we agree to be subject to eu rules, ie 'the level playing field' regulated by the ECJ and continue to give them money, (along with giving access to our sovereign territory) we have not left.

This appears to be the 'deal' under discussion.

This is vassalage, naturally it will be 'sold' to us as something else entirely.
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Why should the EU allow us to trade with them if, by ignoring any new regulations, we can undercut them?
 
SardiniaFox said:
No MEPs, so no parliamentary representation. Limited rights for UK citizens in Europe.

We have left. Stop denying it.
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But we still obey their rules, their court and pay in.

The very definition of vassalage.

sixthswan said:
We won't have a seat at the table though. So we've left.

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And a bit of MSM, that sums it up nicely. The Leavers were had. Thanks for nothing...

--https://www.ft.com/content/955dc9c9-d5a8-4fd5-a66b-ef28c9f70e2c
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I agree that we were had.

We were lied to from the beginning, the moment that Cameron uttered the words 'leave means leave' and 'we will implement your decision'.

That is what has fucked up Brexit, nothing else.
hackneyfox said:
Why should the EU allow us to trade with them if, by ignoring any new regulations, we can undercut them?
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Thats business.
 
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