Brexit and fishing rights.

I can assure you that that my loathing is completely reserved for the conmen not the conned .
I despise Gove, Farage , Johnson, Mogg etc . with a passion I have never felt for any British politician in my lifetime .
Well, let's hope you live long. There's plenty of time for others to become more hated.
Is there a politician that you have liked?
 
No Foxgolfer you are bitter. Help yourself by understanding that most politicians are devious and economical with the truth. Even those on the side you support. I respect your stance on Brexit, because like us all it's an opinion, but you do have an unhealthy obsession with dissing anyone, and have claimed many things that will happen that have yet to play out. it will be years before we know what was the right decision with Brexit.
The thing that amuses me is the ' diaperdonny' rants, which are exactly the same traits you display over leaving the EU.
 
I can assure you that that my loathing is completely reserved for the conmen not the conned .
I despise Gove, Farage , Johnson, Mogg etc . with a passion I have never felt for any British politician in my lifetime .
Once more you're inferring that leave voters are thick/gullible by implying that they were conned.
I can assure you nobody conned me, i voted to leave the eu and lo & behold we have now left the eu. The only politicians i despise are the likes of Bercow, Starmer, Soubrey & Lammy et al, who for the last 4 & 1/2 years have used every dirty trick in the book to subvert democracy.
 
I know you are not asking me Regi, but having just lost an argument with Lucy (my cross siamese), I feel up for a row.

Of the names mentioned, I have tremendous respect for Farage in his efforts to get and then win the referendum, at considerable cost to himself both politically and personally. He has struggled to find a purpose since then and has become rather irrelevant.

Gove is very intelligent and an able minister, he was very good at education. Unfortunately he comes across as a duplicitous toad and totally untrustworthy on a personal level.

As one at the forefront of the ERG I thought Rees-Mogg was exceptional, as indeed was Raab, Baker and one or two others. Their complete collapse and acceptance of Johnsons sell out policies after the election has surprised me, something has 'turned' them, I have no idea what that might be.

Johnson himself has been a total disaster, I had hoped that he would be a big, positive figure as prime minister, an energetic and positive figurehead setting the tone for some of his more competent ministers to 'do the detail', sadly not.
 
Once more you're inferring that leave voters are thick/gullible by implying that they were conned.
I can assure you nobody conned me, i voted to leave the eu and lo & behold we have now left the eu. The only politicians i despise are the likes of Bercow, Starmer, Soubrey & Lammy et al, who for the last 4 & 1/2 years have used every dirty trick in the book to subvert democracy.

You can add Grieve, Swinson , Gina Miller, and Gauke to that list.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone's going to believe Golfer and Mistry.

It's not the contempt, more the outright loathing and ridicule of anyone not in-line with your way of thinking. This is obvious in just about everything you say, and have said, on just about every subject connected to society, politics etc.
All of the groups of people have been incorrectly blamed for various things over the last 4-5 years by frontline government politicians.

If you want to carry on believing them, that’s up to you.
 
I know you are not asking me Regi, but having just lost an argument with Lucy (my cross siamese), I feel up for a row.

Of the names mentioned, I have tremendous respect for Farage in his efforts to get and then win the referendum, at considerable cost to himself both politically and personally. He has struggled to find a purpose since then and has become rather irrelevant.

Gove is very intelligent and an able minister, he was very good at education. Unfortunately he comes across as a duplicitous toad and totally untrustworthy on a personal level.

As one at the forefront of the ERG I thought Rees-Mogg was exceptional, as indeed was Raab, Baker and one or two others. Their complete collapse and acceptance of Johnsons sell out policies after the election has surprised me, something has 'turned' them, I have no idea what that might be.

Johnson himself has been a total disaster, I had hoped that he would be a big, positive figure as prime minister, an energetic and positive figurehead setting the tone for some of his more competent ministers to 'do the detail', sadly not.
Gove very good on education says nobody who actually worked in education - ever
 
You can add Grieve, Swinson , Gina Miller, and Gauke to that list.
By “”subverting democracy” , you mean insisting Parliament scrutinise and vote on government policy if not oppose it ? ...right .,.I suggest you check what democracy is .
 
Gove very good on education says nobody who actually worked in education - ever
Which of course is exactly why he was so good.

By “”subverting democracy” , you mean insisting Parliament scrutinise and vote on government policy if not oppose it ? ...right .,.I suggest you check what democracy is .
A democracy involves asking the people and implementing their decision. Has not happened in the UK in a very long time.

At best, this country has a representative democracy based on the 'party' system, at worst it is a one party state based on the LibLabCon.
 
By “”subverting democracy” , you mean insisting Parliament scrutinise and vote on government policy if not oppose it ? ...right .,.I suggest you check what democracy is .
By “”subverting democracy” , you mean insisting Parliament scrutinise and vote on government policy if not oppose it ? ...right .,.I suggest you check what democracy is .

Check your own take on democracy, all those characters mentioned wanted to overturn a democratic vote.
 
i've read a couple of posts in this thread and the normal morons are shouting loudest but have not bothered to learn anything about the subject. The fishing rights have mostly been sold by privileged individuals or companies. Not going to reply to any posts from the ignorant no nothing loudmouths. Why don't they just try and educate themselves before they try and preach to others. Stupid stupid people.
 
Nope . Just establush what the terms were . Why are some Brexiters still whining on a year after we left ? Why didn’t hard line Brexiters vote for the May deal 2 years ago ? Are they anti democratic too ?
Gina Miller merely ensured Parliament had a vote on any deal or May would have done it 2years ago .
 
Which of course is exactly why he was so good.


A democracy involves asking the people and implementing their decision. Has not happened in the UK in a very long time.

At best, this country has a representative democracy based on the 'party' system, at worst it is a one party state based on the LibLabCon.
 
So sad that folk actually think career politicians with headlines to grab know more about how to run schools / hospitals / businesses / security forces than teachers / doctors business owners and police officers .
Until that changes we are stuffed
 
I know you are not asking me Regi, but having just lost an argument with Lucy (my cross siamese), I feel up for a row.

Of the names mentioned, I have tremendous respect for Farage in his efforts to get and then win the referendum, at considerable cost to himself both politically and personally. He has struggled to find a purpose since then and has become rather irrelevant.

Gove is very intelligent and an able minister, he was very good at education. Unfortunately he comes across as a duplicitous toad and totally untrustworthy on a personal level.

As one at the forefront of the ERG I thought Rees-Mogg was exceptional, as indeed was Raab, Baker and one or two others. Their complete collapse and acceptance of Johnsons sell out policies after the election has surprised me, something has 'turned' them, I have no idea what that might be.

Johnson himself has been a total disaster, I had hoped that he would be a big, positive figure as prime minister, an energetic and positive figurehead setting the tone for some of his more competent ministers to 'do the detail', sadly not.

Not sure the ERG characters collapsed and fell for BJ policies. I tend to think that the election result was not good for the ERG, the large majority silenced their voices. BJ knew he didn't need to pander to them, and the ERG have had to accept a watered down version of what they wanted, or end up with something completely incompatible to their beliefs.
 
A democratic vote on something no-one had any idea of delivering.

That's the not the point. We were given a vote, and for better or worse (time will tell ) a result was delivered. The only question imo was the referendum classed as illegal or fraudulent. No is the answer.
The most damaging thing for this country would be to ignore what the majority voted for, and that includes if remain had won as well.
 
So sad that folk actually think career politicians with headlines to grab know more about how to run schools / hospitals / businesses / security forces than teachers / doctors business owners and police officers .
Until that changes we are stuffed
Gove is an intelligent and hard working politician. He researched his brief and actually required the teaching profession to stop its political posturing and teach the children.

Naturally the overwhelmingly leftist teaching profession didn't like that one bit.

Not sure the ERG characters collapsed and fell for BJ policies. I tend to think that the election result was not good for the ERG, the large majority silenced their voices. BJ knew he didn't need to pander to them, and the ERG have had to accept a watered down version of what they wanted, or end up with something completely incompatible to their beliefs.
My thoughts were that, given Johnsons intention to 'get Brexit done' the ERG would have seen that as an opportunity to press their views, but you are quite right, it didn't happen. Being sidelined by the size of Johnsons victory may well be how it happened.

I hadn't really looked at it that way, but very possible.
 
“That’s not the point” - that’s precisely the problem.

As I said before, no business anywhere would give its shareholders the opportunity of voting on something that no-one had any idea of delivering.
 
“That’s not the point” - that’s precisely the problem.

As I said before, no business anywhere would give its shareholders the opportunity of voting on something that no-one had any idea of delivering.

Perhaps you could call it arrogance on Cameron's part in thinking that it was a vote he wouldn't lose. Over confident maybe because he had success with the Scots independence referendum.
 
He certainly did not expect to lose and had no intention of carrying out Brexit whatever happened. That is what seriously fucked the country.

We all have our ideas of what he should have done, but he didn't. He cut and ran, the bastard.
 
Perhaps you could call it arrogance on Cameron's part in thinking that it was a vote he wouldn't lose. Over confident maybe because he had success with the Scots independence referendum.
So I’d then ask anyone that voted “Leave”, did it not cross their mind that the very politicians that had connived & lied in the past over some very serious issues, were the ones they were putting their faith in?

Without a doubt, if I felt that there was a convincing case or argument put forward with clarity, honesty (yeah, I know) & some actual benefit to the nation by ‘Leave’ politicians, then I would’ve voted ‘Leave’.

But it wasn’t & I had a huge distrust of the ‘Leave’-supporting politicians anyway.

So there you go...
 
You wasn't convinced by leave, I wasn't convinced by remain. A decision formulated over a period of 30-40 years in my case. Not just today's ' here today gone tomorrow politicians'
 
He certainly did not expect to lose and had no intention of carrying out Brexit whatever happened. That is what seriously fucked the country.

We all have our ideas of what he should have done, but he didn't. He cut and ran, the bastard.

Well he did the right thing to quit, but the Tories distrust of BJ saw the incredulous appointment of May. One of the most bizarre and baffling decisions they ever made imo. I thought she was a disaster.
 
You wasn't convinced by leave, I wasn't convinced by remain. A decision formulated over a period of 30-40 years in my case. Not just today's ' here today gone tomorrow politicians'
Yeah, those very same self-serving politicians that have a lot more to gain from the chaos they create "here today" & are buffered from those issues when they've "gone tomorrow".

I hear a lot of chat about how politicians have always been duplicitous & so in the case of Brexit, it doesn't matter again. I'm well aware not everyone would've been swayed by as much, but drowned in emotional cliches such as "Brexit means Brexit", "sovereignty", "the will of the people" & "enemies of the state" (when someone pointed out there needed to be a process to ensure we followed the right path by the rule of law), meant that none of those Leasve-supporting was, or will ever be held accountable.
 
I could point the same argument at the Liberal Elite.
You state those cliches, but you would need complete fool to think propaganda wasn't used on both sides of the argument.
 
I think it was the scale of the deceit that was the issue. people expect politicians to fudge, to backtrack and all the rest.

Camerons shear, total lie was, for me anyway, not expected, it was beyond anything I anticipated.
 
I could point the same argument at the Liberal Elite.
You state those cliches, but you would need complete fool to think propaganda wasn't used on both sides of the argument.
But as it’s helpfully pointed out to me fairly frequently “Leave won, so get over it”.

So if you think the situation we’re in right now is the best for all concerned, then it’s sad to see “Leave” voters having lowered their sights so much...to the point where all some can squawk is that everyone else should get over it, because they can never admit to having been hoodwinked themselves.
 
But as it’s helpfully pointed out to me fairly frequently “Leave won, so get over it”.

So if you think the situation we’re in right now is the best for all concerned, then it’s sad to see “Leave” voters having lowered their sights so much...to the point where all some can squawk is that everyone else should get over it, because they can never admit to having been hoodwinked themselves.

The provocative banter stems from posters on both sides unwilling to see fault with their opinions.
Can't see that changing because certain characters on here are too entrenched.
 
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