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We will put a border in the Irish sea
We will smash our own food supply chains
We will impose labour shortages
We will make it easier for illegal immigrants to cross the channel
We will remove our own freedom to live and work on our own continent
We will make Ian Botham a trade negotiator
We will make Boris Johnson Prime Minister

Hold on tight -Winters coming
 
You mean friends that take every opportunity to fuck us over for no reason other than spite
Of course. There is always something or someone else to blame - it appeases those that voted for Brexit.

How about starting with those Leave cheerleaders that spouted crap in 2016? Hollow promises just to win your vote.
 
You mean friends that take every opportunity to fuck us over for no reason other than spite
We fucked our selves over . Start looking at the liars who brought this down on our heads .
The Express is claiming the EU are imposing a blockade Ffs .
The truth is we are now a third country and suffering the red tape and rules we voted to impose on ourselves .
When Oct 1st arrives and the full rules kick in which up to now the EU had spared us , it will get very very messy with food prices alone look set to rise by up to 20 %.
On the pro side we might get 13p off a bottle of NZ wine . That’ll help a bit .

When the full impact hits it won’t be the EUs fault , it won’t be remainers fault it won’t even be those who voted leave , it will be the likes of Gove , Mogg and Johnson and the other self serving corrupt bastards who sold the lies .
 
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Do you sit up all night thinking of this shit?

You are one of the few people that can talk more bollocks than Jammy Carrierbag Your endless warnings of impending Armageddon are both tedious and inaccurate please find another subject
 
Do you sit up all night thinking of this shit?

You are one of the few people that can talk more bollocks than Jammy Carrierbag Your endless warnings of impending Armageddon are both tedious and inaccurate please find another subject
Mmm . What is inaccurate in what I posted. what isn’t true ?
 
Who would have thought that in order to make it in the world as a free, sovereign and successful independent country you might actually need a government that works in the best interests of the people and the country.

Not been the case for 20 years, 5 years ago we had a chance to sort all that out, but we didn't. Appalling leadership and a globalist supporting government that hate the idea of a successful, independent UK.

No longer really worth arguing about, this country is done and it is not coming back anytime soon.
 
All of it

To pick two -Johnson isn’t PM and Botham isn’t appointed a trade envoy - right okay .
Brexiters may deny reality as long as much as they like but that is off the scale
 
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When did you realise that Johnson is the PM
So there’s no border in the Irish sea ?
Prisoners aren’t being used to process our meat ?
There are no problems in food supply chains?
Food prices havent risen despite leave politicians promising us it would be cheaper 😂
Illegal immigration hasn’t soared despite promises it would be less ?

Okay . Oh to live in your world of blissful ignorance

Why aren’t leave voters angry with the politicians who promised you the exact opposite of what you’ve got ?
 
Johnson’s criminal gang know the shit will really hit the fan after Oct 1st which is why they are pleading with the EU to once more extend many of the customs exemptions and continue to suspend checks that are the very consequences of leaving the Single Market .
I suspect the EU will say fuck off you wanted this now live with it .
There will follow more wailing and moaning from the “winners”blaming everyone else for what they voted for .
Apparently it’s called taking back control .
 
What was bullshit ?
Generally interested in counter point of view to prove my points wrong ?
 
Leaving aside the rampant corruption at the heart of our government.
Anything I said about current Brexit situation which isn’t true ?
Oct 1st
Border
Supply chains
Food prices
Illegal immigration
Labour shortages ?
 
Incidentally this isn’t party political .
I have been warmed by the growing realisation of decent Tory politicians that Johnson’s inept opportunism is gradually destroying the U.K. and its reputation .
It makes it more galling in some ways that the likes of Tom Tuganhall , Rory Stewart etc who have spoken so intelligently about Afghanistan are frozen out by these moronic idiots such as Johnson , Raab snd Patel currently masquerading as our leaders .
 
To be fair, AFCD is.
I am fucking mad as hell.

I simply had no idea of the depth of globalist/pro-eu feeling that exists in the British establishment/state. The fact that they are prepared to bankrupt and ruin the country (even before Covid) to satisfy their agenda is just staggering.

It even goes beyond that, replace the troublesome indigenous population with compliant outsiders, continue the destruction of what is left of of our culture and society and turn us into a government controlled slave state. I can see that, it is bloody obvious, a few others on here see it to, but most don't, which is hard to understand.

I no longer 'have any skin' in the outcome of this shitshow, I have no family left in the UK and Mrs AFC has a bolthole or two courtesy of her dual nationality, I shall just watch it all fall apart.
 
It even goes beyond that, replace the troublesome indigenous population with compliant outsiders, continue the destruction of what is left of of our culture and society and turn us into a government controlled slave state.
This bit is weird. Slightly ranty, aimed at the wrong groups of people, a whiff of xenophobia even. Happy to be corrected.
 
The Leave campaign didn't promise anything tangible beyond regaining sovereignty. Everything that followed is a political decision by the UK government. This has nothing to do with remainers impeding implementation. We were set on a course for a hard brexit by May - she was explicit in the Lancaster House speech and strongly implicit with her (derided) Brexit means Brexit. It doesn't really matter if this was Tory party management or if she believed it or not - the UK was going to leave the EU and its four "freedoms" and likely would have done so much earlier if the ERG wasn't being played by UKIP and the ambition of the current bunch of lightweights drawing a ministerial salary.

What is annoying for those of us in the real world is the predictability of the current outcomes and the lack of any meaningful planning. As an example you can argue that firms who relied on outsourced EU truck drivers using PSC structures should have known that there might be a teensy bit of disruption and planned accordingly but my view - UK Gov had sight of the numbers and could have/should have worked with the RHA to address and mitigate the risk at a national level - stuff like increasing training opportunities.. I guess it was an ideological choice to sit on their hands and let the market react but they were elected to follow this course.

As a country we are going to have to get used to lots of Brexit consequences being managed after the effect rather than anticipated and proactively managed at a UK Gov level. The best firms will be on top of this and been doing this anyway, Lots of others will complain loudly and likely be ignored by Johnson as he knows and expects that they will fix it somehow.
 
Oct 1st You don't know what will happen you're guessing
Border The sensible people are working around this act of rank stupidity by both sets of posturing politicos
Supply chains A figment of your (and the Guardian's imagination) businesses sort out trade not politicians
Food prices Food is now traded globally not just in the EU so not just Brexit
Illegal immigration It's nothing new, nothing to do with Brexit
Labour shortages ? Covid is the cause for a lot of this not just Brexit
 
Oct 1st You don't know what will happen you're guessing
Border The sensible people are working around this act of rank stupidity by both sets of posturing politicos
Supply chains A figment of your (and the Guardian's imagination) businesses sort out trade not politicians
Food prices Food is now traded globally not just in the EU so not just Brexit
Illegal immigration It's nothing new, nothing to do with Brexit
Labour shortages ? Covid is the cause for a lot of this not just Brexit
Thanks for your reply . I think you will be proved largely wrong but time will tell .
 
The Leave campaign didn't promise anything tangible beyond regaining sovereignty. Everything that followed is a political decision by the UK government. This has nothing to do with remainers impeding implementation. We were set on a course for a hard brexit by May - she was explicit in the Lancaster House speech and strongly implicit with her (derided) Brexit means Brexit. It doesn't really matter if this was Tory party management or if she believed it or not - the UK was going to leave the EU and its four "freedoms" and likely would have done so much earlier if the ERG wasn't being played by UKIP and the ambition of the current bunch of lightweights drawing a ministerial salary.

What is annoying for those of us in the real world is the predictability of the current outcomes and the lack of any meaningful planning. As an example you can argue that firms who relied on outsourced EU truck drivers using PSC structures should have known that there might be a teensy bit of disruption and planned accordingly but my view - UK Gov had sight of the numbers and could have/should have worked with the RHA to address and mitigate the risk at a national level - stuff like increasing training opportunities.. I guess it was an ideological choice to sit on their hands and let the market react but they were elected to follow this course.

As a country we are going to have to get used to lots of Brexit consequences being managed after the effect rather than anticipated and proactively managed at a UK Gov level. The best firms will be on top of this and been doing this anyway, Lots of others will complain loudly and likely be ignored by Johnson as he knows and expects that they will fix it somehow.
The signs were there during the Referendum when detail that would’ve allowed voters to make a more informed decision got swamped by easily-swallowable hollow slogans.

And after this, numerous Brexit secretaries & other ministers showed their skills & expertise by admitting they had undertaken little or no preparation during talks with the EU, & also making gaffes by not acknowledging the importance of certain things (i.e. processes, ports etc) relating to the flow of trade.

It’s as if they thought the slogans would be enough, & “magic” would happen.
 
This bit is weird. Slightly ranty, aimed at the wrong groups of people, a whiff of xenophobia even. Happy to be corrected.
Only slightly ranty because I am not sure that I am up for the argument today.

Population replacement in the UK, is a fact. I don't like or want it but it is here to stay and probably already irreversable.

Other views are available.

The Leave campaign didn't promise anything tangible beyond regaining sovereignty. Everything that followed is a political decision by the UK government. This has nothing to do with remainers impeding implementation. We were set on a course for a hard brexit by May - she was explicit in the Lancaster House speech and strongly implicit with her (derided) Brexit means Brexit. It doesn't really matter if this was Tory party management or if she believed it or not - the UK was going to leave the EU and its four "freedoms" and likely would have done so much earlier if the ERG wasn't being played by UKIP and the ambition of the current bunch of lightweights drawing a ministerial salary.

What is annoying for those of us in the real world is the predictability of the current outcomes and the lack of any meaningful planning. As an example you can argue that firms who relied on outsourced EU truck drivers using PSC structures should have known that there might be a teensy bit of disruption and planned accordingly but my view - UK Gov had sight of the numbers and could have/should have worked with the RHA to address and mitigate the risk at a national level - stuff like increasing training opportunities.. I guess it was an ideological choice to sit on their hands and let the market react but they were elected to follow this course.

As a country we are going to have to get used to lots of Brexit consequences being managed after the effect rather than anticipated and proactively managed at a UK Gov level. The best firms will be on top of this and been doing this anyway, Lots of others will complain loudly and likely be ignored by Johnson as he knows and expects that they will fix it somehow.

The Lancaster House Speech was a big lie based on the original lie from Cameron in the run up to the referendum. There was never any intention of doing what was promised and getting us out of the EU, the current half assed situation is proof of that.

No one with an ounce of sense expected Brexit to be easy in practice, but they did, rather foolishly as it turns out, expect the government to do what it promised, respect the result of the referendum and act in the best interests of the country and its people. It has done no such thing.

It has simply organised a series of punishment beatings on ordinary people, bankrupt individuals and businesses, ruined lives and much, much more.
 
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