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Foxgolfer

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Offical reported figures over 700 deaths and thousands of adverse reactions ranging in serverity I suppose these could have been made up by the government though.
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700 deaths in 38 million in the over 60s about what would be expected in 3 months . Links to vaccine - none proved. .
Whereas 120000 deaths with covid test in 60 million ..... puts it in perspective .
 

Foxgolfer

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Those 700 deaths aren't a result of the vaccine.
Re. The OP.
The thing I don’t get about our resident loonies is they must spend hours and hours scouring Facebook and Twitter for videos of unqualified twits spreading this dangerous rubbish and present it as “ proof” of their ideas .
They totally ignore the work of Britain’s best scientific minds with lifetimes of work dedicated to their specialisms in our world leading Universities.
 
Re. The OP.
The thing I don’t get about our resident loonies is they must spend hours and hours scouring Facebook and Twitter for videos of unqualified twits spreading this dangerous rubbish and present it as “ proof” of their ideas .
They totally ignore the work of Britain’s best scientific minds with lifetimes of work dedicated to their specialisms in our world leading Universities.
And the 1000s that have died, their loved ones and those who have worked hard to help save lives (when not making Tik Tok videos). No respect.
 

AFCDorset

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With Covid on death certificate .Actual number nearer 150000
So no actual inference that Covid was either the cause of death or a major contributing factor.

And the 1000s that have died, their loved ones and those who have worked hard to help save lives (when not making Tik Tok videos). No respect.
And this is of course the crux of the issue. People die all the time, normally unless they family or friends we take precious little notice, no respect there either.

I personally believe that the 'pandemic' in the UK is largely fiction, defined by what is written on a death certificate and stoked by highly inaccurate testing. The numbers are manipulated by the authorities and reported as fact by the MSN in a massive propaganda exercise to frighten and confuse people to follow the government agenda.

If I argue that point, as I have done in the past (but rarely bother now), I get castigated for being a conspiracy theorist or failing to show respect to those who have tied.

Back in September when I pointed out that we will be forced to have 'Passbook' type documents to travel, access healthcare, hospitality or retail, I was actually called out as 'Paranoid', the first two of those points are now facts of life and the rest under consideration.
 

Foxgolfer

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So no actual inference that Covid was either the cause of death or a major contributing factor.


And this is of course the crux of the issue. People die all the time, normally unless they family or friends we take precious little notice, no respect there either.

I personally believe that the 'pandemic' in the UK is largely fiction, defined by what is written on a death certificate and stoked by highly inaccurate testing. The numbers are manipulated by the authorities and reported as fact by the MSN in a massive propaganda exercise to frighten and confuse people to follow the government agenda.

If I argue that point, as I have done in the past (but rarely bother now), I get castigated for being a conspiracy theorist or failing to show respect to those who have tied.

Back in September when I pointed out that we will be forced to have 'Passbook' type documents to travel, access healthcare, hospitality or retail, I was actually called out as 'Paranoid', the first two of those points are now facts of life and the rest under consideration.
It wasn’t paranoid .
It’s just common sense . Why would people want to go to places it they were risking catching a debilitating or dates virus ?
Really don’t see the issue .
Don’t take a test. Dont get vaccinated . Fine .Your choice .
The majorities choice - I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football
 

Foxgolfer

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It wasn’t paranoid .
It’s just common sense . Why would people want to go to places it they were risking catching a debilitating or dates virus ?
Really don’t see the issue .
Don’t take a test. Dont get vaccinated . Fine .Your choice .
The majorities choice - I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football
*fatal 😂
 
Yeah, because people only die of covid. Or is it that we only have empathy for those that die through covid.
130k more deaths than usual, but you deliberately miss the point. All these "experts" questioning people who have spent the whole career studying epidemiology, treating viruses, attending to seriously ill and dying people. But they're all part of a worldwide con. No respect.
 

AFCDorset

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It wasn’t paranoid .
It’s just common sense . Why would people want to go to places it they were risking catching a debilitating or dates virus ?
Really don’t see the issue .
Don’t take a test. Dont get vaccinated . Fine .Your choice .
The majorities choice - I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football
I never considered that it was, it is just what I was called.

If you consider yourself at risk, do not go to the pub or the football, problem solved.
130k more deaths than usual, but you deliberately miss the point. All these "experts" questioning people who have spent the whole career studying epidemiology, treating viruses, attending to seriously ill and dying people. But they're all part of a worldwide con. No respect.
Same argument, little more than emotional blackmail. Heart disease kills far more people than covid, where is the respect for them?

I could point out that deaths in 2020 are only high because of the comparison with 2019, an historic low. There was no significant winter flu/virus season in 2019 but there was in 2020. The two year average for the death rate is pretty standard for recent years, and one of the lowest for the last 20 years.

This analysis uses the same ONS figures that are used to give the 120k+ excess deaths but looks at them in a different way.
 

Foxgolfer

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I never considered that it was, it is just what I was called.

If you consider yourself at risk, do not go to the pub or the football, problem solved.

Same argument, little more than emotional blackmail. Heart disease kills far more people than covid, where is the respect for them?

I could point out that deaths in 2020 are only high because of the comparison with 2019, an historic low. There was no significant winter flu/virus season in 2019 but there was in 2020. The two year average for the death rate is pretty standard for recent years, and one of the lowest for the last 20 years.

This analysis uses the same ONS figures that are used to give the 120k+ excess deaths but looks at them in a different way.
Listening to the debates on MSM this morning ( and being open minded) I have changed my mind a tad .
International travel will inevitably require a double vaccination. Fine by me .

Not sure for domestic events and venues . Too many practical and ethical problems . It may be we have to accept another 6 months to a year of restrictions until enough are vaccinated to to achieve some sort of herd immunity .
I say it with a heavy heart as really want to go to football and pub etc. but hey ho. Lives are more important
 
Heart disease kills far more people than covid, where is the respect for them?
I do have respect for them and those that have spent many years studying and working in their respective fields. I'm not the one questioning what they are saying.

And I do see the point about the Covid passports as it's chipping away at civil liberties. It also puts the responsibility onto pub, cafe owners etc to police it. However, something needs to be put in place to prevent those with lack of regard for other people's right to take some responsibility and get the vaccine.
 

AFCDorset

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Listening to the debates on MSM this morning ( and being open minded) I have changed my mind a tad .
International travel will inevitably require a double vaccination. Fine by me .

Not sure for domestic events and venues . Too many practical and ethical problems . It may be we have to accept another 6 months to a year of restrictions until enough are vaccinated to to achieve some sort of herd immunity .
I say it with a heavy heart as really want to go to football and pub etc. but hey ho. Lives are more important
I do have respect for them and those that have spent many years studying and working in their respective fields. I'm not the one questioning what they are saying.

And I do see the point about the Covid passports as it's chipping away at civil liberties. It also puts the responsibility onto pub, cafe owners etc to police it. However, something needs to be put in place to prevent those with lack of regard for other people's right to take some responsibility and get the vaccine.
FG, The best way to achieve herd immunity is the usual one.

Open up without restriction, the virus is at a low ebb and with summer coming will only get weaker, infection at this level will most likely not cause symptoms let alone serious illness but it will convey immunity. This is the normal pattern for a winter virus, happens most years (except 2019).

Club, The deliberate suppression of alternate or conflicting views by the medical establishment, usually with out discussion or debate leads me to distrust a lot of what they say, so yes, I am questioning them.

The government is not just 'chipping away, at our civil liberties it is removing them wholesale.
 

Muzzdog

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It wasn’t paranoid .
It’s just common sense . Why would people want to go to places it they were risking catching a debilitating or dates virus ?
Really don’t see the issue .
Don’t take a test. Dont get vaccinated . Fine .Your choice .
The majorities choice - I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football
I dont want you next to me in the pub or football... nothing to do with a virus or vaccine
 

Foxgolfer

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FG, The best way to achieve herd immunity is the usual one.

Open up without restriction, the virus is at a low ebb and with summer coming will only get weaker, infection at this level will most likely not cause symptoms let alone serious illness but it will convey immunity. This is the normal pattern for a winter virus, happens most years (except 2019).

Club, The deliberate suppression of alternate or conflicting views by the medical establishment, usually with out discussion or debate leads me to distrust a lot of what they say, so yes, I am questioning them.

The government is not just 'chipping away, at our civil liberties it is removing them wholesale.
See Brazil .
 

String The King

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700 deaths in 38 million in the over 60s about what would be expected in 3 months . Links to vaccine - none proved. .
Whereas 120000 deaths with covid test in 60 million ..... puts it in perspective .
I dont see why the gov would compile these figures if there is not some validity to them. I am not a resident looney trawls all over facebook ect, tbh I have not given much thought to any of this and have not decided if I will have the vacxine or not. I imagine that I will be receiving a letter in next couple of months inviting me for a jab. So thought I would look into it before I made a decsion.

Some of the so called side effects in this do not sound a very pleasant trade off for me even if the risk is very small and considering I am healthy and have never had flu in my life for protection from something which is a form of the flu and I have a 0.03 % chance of dying from, where the average age of people who have died is 83 and consindering current life expectancy is 81.

Also some of what has gone on just does not add up

Deaths being recorded as covid within 28 days of a positive test for whatever reason of which heatlth experts, government and scensits all say produce very high false positives.

This covid act changing the laws that have been in place for years regarding reporting of deaths for example only one doctor needs to sign and changes to when a coroner needs to be involved. Which has already led to many families complaining about said deaths being registered incorrectly.

Death count being on a rolling basis not annualy as is normal with all of causes of death.

I heard that one insurer would not cover medical expenses if you are made ill by the jab and need treatment. So I called my private health insurance provider and they confirmed this saying into comes under taking part in a medical experiment.

I am not some nut who thinks this is all made up and am in no doubt a respiratory illness which is more harsher than normal has been doing the rounds for the last 18 months or so but this is not unusual it happens, however the responce and hysteria is unprecedented. Along with the protect the NHS line so that its not over stretched, Im sorry but that does not justify locking poeple in their own homes and trying to coerce them into taking a medication which is what is happening. The NHS receives billons of taxpayers money and at least 3 gererations of our families have paid in over the years, its disgusting of the state to use it as an emotional blackmale tool to bash over the peoples heads.

These are just my thoughts which I am entitled to just as you are to yours and I respect them.

What does concern me though is you say on one hand its peoples choice and then say

"I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football"

Does that mean you wish to have an apartheid two tier society with all the nasty implications this would mean for your fellow men and women who for whatever reason do not wish to have a jab beacuse of an illess which has unfortunately and sadly caused the death of less than 0.2% of the population. Because as we all know from history this knid of thing does not stop there what about special camps for these people? if so should we start calling you D F Malan.
 

Foxgolfer

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I dont see why the gov would compile these figures if there is not some validity to them. I am not a resident looney trawls all over facebook ect, tbh I have not given much thought to any of this and have not decided if I will have the vacxine or not. I imagine that I will be receiving a letter in next couple of months inviting me for a jab. So thought I would look into it before I made a decsion.

Some of the so called side effects in this do not sound a very pleasant trade off for me even if the risk is very small and considering I am healthy and have never had flu in my life for protection from something which is a form of the flu and I have a 0.03 % chance of dying from, where the average age of people who have died is 83 and consindering current life expectancy is 81.

Also some of what has gone on just does not add up

Deaths being recorded as covid within 28 days of a positive test for whatever reason of which heatlth experts, government and scensits all say produce very high false positives.

This covid act changing the laws that have been in place for years regarding reporting of deaths for example only one doctor needs to sign and changes to when a coroner needs to be involved. Which has already led to many families complaining about said deaths being registered incorrectly.

Death count being on a rolling basis not annualy as is normal with all of causes of death.

I heard that one insurer would not cover medical expenses if you are made ill by the jab and need treatment. So I called my private health insurance provider and they confirmed this saying into comes under taking part in a medical experiment.

I am not some nut who thinks this is all made up and am in no doubt a respiratory illness which is more harsher than normal has been doing the rounds for the last 18 months or so but this is not unusual it happens, however the responce and hysteria is unprecedented. Along with the protect the NHS line so that its not over stretched, Im sorry but that does not justify locking poeple in their own homes and trying to coerce them into taking a medication which is what is happening. The NHS receives billons of taxpayers money and at least 3 gererations of our families have paid in over the years, its disgusting of the state to use it as an emotional blackmale tool to bash over the peoples heads.

These are just my thoughts which I am entitled to just as you are to yours and I respect them.

What does concern me though is you say on one hand its peoples choice and then say

"I don’t want you next to me in the pub or the football"

Does that mean you wish to have an apartheid two tier society with all the nasty implications this would mean for your fellow men and women who for whatever reason do not wish to have a jab beacuse of an illess which has unfortunately and sadly caused the death of less than 0.2% of the population. Because as we all know from history this knid of thing does not stop there what about special camps for these people? if so should we start calling you D F Malan.
Hi Strings
Have no doubt that vaccines will be needed for foreign travel snd I support that.
Have thought long and hard about domestic vaccine passport and have changed my mind on it . ( though apparently 60% in favour )
If it means we have to have another 6 months to a year of restrictions in indoor venues and large gatherings so be it . A shame but until everyone is vaccinated or immune it will just have to happen .
 

Glimmer

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Does that mean you wish to have an apartheid two tier society with all the nasty implications this would mean for your fellow men and women who for whatever reason do not wish to have a jab

I think that people, who for whatever reason have not had the jab, will be able to provide up to date negative test results to access places

At least thats my understanding of the proposals
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Does that mean you wish to have an apartheid two tier society with all the nasty implications this would mean for your fellow men and women who for whatever reason do not wish to have a jab

I think that people, who for whatever reason have not had the jab, will be able to provide up to date negative test results to access places

At least thats my understanding of the proposals
I think I just said I don’t support domestic vaccine passports . I accept that will mean a few more months to a year of restrictions ?
 

String The King

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Does that mean you wish to have an apartheid two tier society with all the nasty implications this would mean for your fellow men and women who for whatever reason do not wish to have a jab

I think that people, who for whatever reason have not had the jab, will be able to provide up to date negative test results to access places

At least thats my understanding of the proposals
If that is the case how long would this go on for ?

I am worried that at present the government seem to be say this or that will not happen and then do it and say oh it will not be for long ("3 weeks to flatten the curve") then it continues.

I suppose I am more scared of the government than the illness which cant be right. Surly it should be the other way round to ensure there is balance. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree and are an idealist to think this way?

As I said earlier I may have the jab and would then have a passport or certificate to get into places, however I would react in the strongest possible way if people who decided not to go down that route were to be excluded.
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
If that is the case how long would this go on for ?

I am worried that at present the government seem to be say this or that will not happen and then do it and say oh it will not be for long ("3 weeks to flatten the curve") then it continues.

I suppose I am more scared of the government than the illness which cant be right. Surly it should be the other way round to ensure there is balance. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree and are an idealist to think this way?

As I said earlier I may have the jab and would then have a passport or certificate to get into places, however I would react in the strongest possible way if people who decided not to go down that route were to be excluded.
It will go on until infections and hospitalisations are low enough . Who knows ? Hopefully no longer than a year . Looking round Europe things aren’t looking like it will end any time soon .
 

AFCDorset

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It will go on until infections and hospitalisations are low enough . Who knows ? Hopefully no longer than a year . Looking round Europe things aren’t looking like it will end any time soon .
Hospitalisations are already extremely low, deaths, even by the governments ridiculous standards are virtually no existent.

Open everything now and go back to normal. Sadly, that is not the agenda.
 
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