England indifference

It was like watching the inevitable happen

A bit like Enzoball with no plan B and the same subs being used virtually at the same time each game.

Then the usual bollocks spouted after the game by Kane and Southgate and on we go to the next disappointment in a couple of years
 
I went into last nights match with zero expectation. The only time I thought we had a chance was for 2-3 mins after we equalised. But Spain just went up a gear. We could have been done 4-1 if Pickford hadn’t have saved us. I wasn’t even sad at the end. I long ago lost any feeling towards our national side and Southgate just adds to that. He really is THE best example of an FA mannaquin.
Our national football mentality needs to change from being ‘glorious’ losers to serial winners. It won’t happen under him. I wished we’d have been knocked out by Slovakia
 
I think it comes down just to the English mentality we have had various managers including taking the foreign route and some class players over the 58 years but for some reason we always either shoot ourselves in the foot or let ourselves down or just sheer bad luck. I think problems are deeper than Southgate. I have to say I've never been as gutted at a football match than I was last night.
 
LGFOX said:
I went into last nights match with zero expectation. The only time I thought we had a chance was for 2-3 mins after we equalised. But Spain just went up a gear. We could have been done 4-1 if Pickford hadn’t have saved us. I wasn’t even sad at the end. I long ago lost any feeling towards our national side and Southgate just adds to that. He really is THE best example of an FA mannaquin.
Our national football mentality needs to change from being ‘glorious’ losers to serial winners. It won’t happen under him. I wished we’d have been knocked out by Slovakia
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Has he gone yet!!
 
MeltonFox said:
I think it comes down just to the English mentality we have had various managers including taking the foreign route and some class players over the 58 years but for some reason we always either shoot ourselves in the foot or let ourselves down or just sheer bad luck. I think problems are deeper than Southgate. I have to say I've never been as gutted at a football match than I was last night.
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Fuck me backwards. And sidewards.
Are you about 7 years old?
 
Yes, those of us that had not spent years overdosing on patriotism knew full well that Spain are/were a street ahead of us collectively and individually and we coped for longer than I thought but you don't win silver coping, and it suggests the reality which was Spain were controlling us.
Where to go? First get rid of the idea that we are inheritantly better than any non Brits. And it is 'our' game.
Then ask why our players have not mastered the basics of top level technical ability, Only one of our players would have made their team (Pickford and that is debatable).
Any England manager can only work with the talent available to him. Yes, he has to be tactically able but if players give the ball away all the time his ideas and plans will founder.
We get to a good level in most tournaments through grit and endevour but that will be beaten by sheer ability eventually.
We over achieved in Germany in a group which was kind.to us. Accept all this and expectations will be realistic and better for it.
 
I would argue that Southgate getting that very average lot (in international terms) did well to get within ninety minutes of a pot.
I doubt anybody else would have won it for us.... that was the 'best' I'm afraid...
 
MeltonFox said:
What do you mean?
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"I have to say I've never been as gutted at a football match than I was last night."

The words of a clueless 7 year old, who has no grasp of the realities of what they're watching, who has got carried away with all the usual bollocks spouted about 'it coming home', and who doesn't have any passion whatsoever for a local team who have frequently provided genuine reasons for their fans to feel gutted over the past 40+ years.
 
Oadlad said:
Yes, those of us that had not spent years overdosing on patriotism knew full well that Spain are/were a street ahead of us collectively and individually and we coped for longer than I thought but you don't win silver coping, and it suggests the reality which was Spain were controlling us.
Where to go? First get rid of the idea that we are inheritantly better than any non Brits. And it is 'our' game.
Then ask why our players have not mastered the basics of top level technical ability, Only one of our players would have made their team (Pickford and that is debatable).
Any England manager can only work with the talent available to him. Yes, he has to be tactically able but if players give the ball away all the time his ideas and plans will founder.
We get to a good level in most tournaments through grit and endevour but that will be beaten by sheer ability eventually.
We over achieved in Germany in a group which was kind.to us. Accept all this and expectations will be realistic and better for it.
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A good manager picks a squad to suit his plans for the competition not necessarily the best but players who are suitable and able with a system he wants to play.
We played a lot like we were not happy with the system he wanted us to play, plus his determination to play people who Clearly were not fit enough
We have enough players of ability to contest competitions like this if the planning is good enough
 
TopFox said:
"I have to say I've never been as gutted at a football match than I was last night."

The words of a clueless 7 year old, who has no grasp of the realities of what they're watching, who has got carried away with all the usual bollocks spouted about 'it coming home', and who doesn't have any passion whatsoever for a local team who have frequently provided genuine reasons for their fans to feel gutted over the past 40+ years.
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I do have passion for my local team but this was England our home nation which if they had won would've surpassed anything in club football for me. Excuse me for being patriotic. Yes plenty of times been disappointed with Leicester but this was England and to come close to winning our first international tournament in my lifetime is gutting.
 
Melton, Close is about the right adjective
same old same old,
Alf was the only man with a plan to succeed not without controversy but he succeeded
with a bit of luck along the way.
Until we can get someone who will marry players to a plan we will never succeed
 
MeltonFox said:
I do have passion for my local team but this was England our home nation which if they had won would've surpassed anything in club football for me. Excuse me for being patriotic. Yes plenty of times been disappointed with Leicester but this was England and to come close to winning our first international tournament in my lifetime is gutting.
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I couldn’t really give a faack about those overpaid caants and that horse faced twat in charge.

I’m glad the proper footballing side won the game who had flair and entertained us but disappointed it wasn’t my nation

There …….ive said it !!
 
Oadlad said:
Yes, those of us that had not spent years overdosing on patriotism knew full well that Spain are/were a street ahead of us collectively and individually and we coped for longer than I thought but you don't win silver coping, and it suggests the reality which was Spain were controlling us.
Where to go? First get rid of the idea that we are inheritantly better than any non Brits. And it is 'our' game.
Then ask why our players have not mastered the basics of top level technical ability, Only one of our players would have made their team (Pickford and that is debatable).
Any England manager can only work with the talent available to him. Yes, he has to be tactically able but if players give the ball away all the time his ideas and plans will founder.
We get to a good level in most tournaments through grit and endevour but that will be beaten by sheer ability eventually.
We over achieved in Germany in a group which was kind.to us. Accept all this and expectations will be realistic and better for it.
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Except he doesn't like gifted and talented players eg Maddison and Grealish, do you remember how he treated Vardy( who is still quicker than Kane) and he dulls the talent we have got such as Saka and Foden, an Arsenal fan I know said Saka was a shade of the player he is at Arsenal who have coincidentally a Spanish manager!
 
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I think it is right that GS prefers less 'talented' players who will fit a shape and have more positional discipline.
And rebuilding England over the years probably suited his cautious approach.
But we have to kick on and most will now welcome a more adventurous attitude.
But, as fans, we need to stop celebrating before matches and recognise that there are others more skilled than us in the basics.
Seeing Kane obviously in decline it did remind of Vardy's inexcusable shabby treatment.
How we needed his movement lately...
 
Harwichfox said:
Except he doesn't like gifted and talented players eg Maddison and Grealish, do you remember how he treated Vardy( who is still quicker than Kane) and he dulls the talent we have got such as Saka and Foden, an Arsenal fan I know said Saka was a shade of the player he is at Arsenal who have coincidentally a Spanish manager!
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Treated Vardy?
 
Playing him on left wing. Leaving him on he bench until the last few minutes against Croatia despite Kane barely being able to move, and after going a goal behind (can someone spot a long standing theme???)
 
Harwichfox said:
Didn't play him even against the worst team in the group Columbia the reason Vardy retired.
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England only played one up front for most of the time while Vardy was there and unfortunately if Kane was fit it was always going to be Kane. Kane was at that point in his career a more versatile striker than Vardy. Playing Vardy you have to play a certain way.
 
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