Euro super league (again)

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European super league being talked up again
victims , manure & real madreeeeeeeeeeed being the ones pushing it
16 teams with no relegation , 300 mil per club
death of football if this goes ahead
sorry forgot a 😁
 
American owners trying to introduce the NFL format where nobody gets relegated and they all get lots of money :mad:
 
FIFA bricking it. Breakaway league scenario if it happens & as everyone except the powers that be has realised that will be the end of football as we know it.
 
I bet Arsenal are not supporting it at this mo'. I don't think it would be the end of football as long as the varying FAs of each country don't support it plus UEFA and FIFA and as said, not to be on tele/radio etc, I think it would die a death
 
At the insistence of the French, who want more French managers across Europe, Burnley have now been invited to join this thing. Having seen the post match press conference, the French thought the Clarets were managed by Le Marvin.
 
I’m still not sure how it will work. It seems that these these teams will not leave their current leagues But will play games in this super league in midweek. As well as the permanent members there will be a few ‘qualifiers’, presumably those that come highest in their leagues, but this is not clear. Seems they intend to have their cake and eat it.
 
All clubs should have a vote and then if the majority vote to have them binned off great.

Apolities to Tartan but same with the Scottish Indy Ref Pt 2. Let’s all have a vote.

All these people demanding break aways think they hold all the power and control.
 
sydrock said:
I bet Arsenal are not supporting it at this mo'. I don't think it would be the end of football as long as the varying FAs of each country don't support it plus UEFA and FIFA and as said, not to be on tele/radio etc, I think it would die a death
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Let's be clear – TV money is what will make a breakaway happen. No TV, no wanky Euro league. End of.
UEFA don't want their territory fucked over by a new competition that usurps what they already have planned for a few years' time, which is why they're mobilising. I'm not fully sure what FIFA's angle is, but rest assured they have one.
What would the PL be like with a few clubs from the top of the Championship instead of the BCCs? Less annoying, would be my guess.
 
Some depressing reading...


The biggest clubs do not just want as much money as they have now, they want more.

Who can blame them: none of them really makes any money. And that was before COVID-19 struck, which has resulted in elite club after elite club announcing nine-figure losses for last year. The solution to their short and long-term cash worries is more games, particularly against each other, ideally on weekends.

At one point, when this chapter in the eternal saga started in 2019, they also wanted to do away with the inconvenience of qualifying for the Champions League again via their domestic leagues.

That demand and the weekend land grab have been quietly dropped — for now — and UEFA is keen to shake hands with the clubs on a new Champions League format next month. The plan is for the eight groups of four to become a 36-team league in which the clubs play 10 games, five at home, five away, with the top 16 progressing to the knockout rounds. Known as a “Swiss model” league, it is widely used in chess.

This move, however, will still upset the domestic leagues, who worry that these extra European games will hoover up scarce media rights money and might just be the start of something, not the end. After all, Swiss model leagues are famously flexible and some chess tournaments have hundreds of players.

What’s new?​

There is one key difference that explains why FIFA was, this week, so willing to leap to the aid of UEFA, an organisation with whom, in football parlance, it has history.

As the body that sits atop the system, FIFA is always going to have an interest in preserving the status quo. But having watched the Champions League help UEFA become far richer than it is, and European teams dominate the World Cup, FIFA wants a piece of the lucrative club game.

It knows its current offering, the Club World Cup, is only really of interest to fans of the European and South American teams that nearly always contest the final, and even then, the European teams’ fans do not always care that much.

So, FIFA president Infantino, a former UEFA man, wants to replace that with a four-yearly, 24-team, summer Club World Cup that really would find the best club team in the world and excite fans everywhere. He had hoped to get that started in China this summer. But unfortunately China got something else started in late 2019, scuppering Infantino’s plans and pretty much everyone else’s, too.
 
Thing is TV networks are backing the idea!

The void of match revenue is pushing the idea through.

Unless UEFA make dramatic changes to UCL format, then it will change the face of football, as we know it.
 
I have yet to meet a fan of one of the established 'elite' clubs anywhere in Europe who actually wants such a super league and an end to domestic competition. That being the case it is not guaranteed that there is really an 'oven-ready' audience for such a league - even for TV - and it could be the cause of an enormous backlash. It is also think that it would be highly likely that the prospect of such a breakaway league would be strongly resisted by domestic politicians and governments throughout Europe. I suspect it is just an empty threat - a 'paper tiger' to be deployed by the 'elite' clubs on a regular basis in order to extract concessions from UEFA and a re-ordering of European competition rules and structure in their favour...
 
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Until the money stops going in two places - agents and players nothing will change.

Mediocre players like Christian Erikssen are on 300k p/w. That is just not sustainable.
 
The only reason this would be bad for football in general is if it starved it of tv revenue.
I personally think it's a terrible idea, but i'd love those teams to try it and come crawling back to their respective domestic leagues when people get bored.
 
The prospect of such a league also makes you think about what it is about European club competition that is so special. I would suggest that (some of) those reasons are:

1. It's comparative rarity compared to domestic competition (and the novelty and experience of travelling abroad in large numbers for supporters of participating clubs);
2. It is always played at night under the lights;
3. The different style, atmosphere and 'feel' of European competition when compared to domestic football;
4. The fact that participation in European competition is a reward for actual domestic achievement and not merely handed-out to 'appropriate' candidates.

I suspect that a Super League would quickly wash away much of that that makes European club competition special once it becomes the routine and the mundane for those participating. Also, the fans would quickly become deterred from supporting their team away from home because every away match would become a logistical challenge and a significant expense - the novelty would quickly wear off.

I also cannot see the fans of Liverpool, for example, relishing the prospect of a football season without two local derby matches against Everton (assuming they will not be invited) being a traditional part...I cannot see the fans of any of those likely candidate clubs being happy with the loss of domestic competition. Imagine a backlash against participation causing games to be played inside half-empty stadiums? If we have learnt one thing about football from the Covid-19 period is that the fans are active participants in the 'product'; the noise, atmosphere, spectacle and backdrop generated by paying attendees is an integral part of what makes football so popular and entertaining - even for TV audiences...
 
Filbo65 said:
Some depressing reading...


The biggest clubs do not just want as much money as they have now, they want more.

Who can blame them: none of them really makes any money. And that was before COVID-19 struck, which has resulted in elite club after elite club announcing nine-figure losses for last year. The solution to their short and long-term cash worries is more games, particularly against each other, ideally on weekends.

At one point, when this chapter in the eternal saga started in 2019, they also wanted to do away with the inconvenience of qualifying for the Champions League again via their domestic leagues.

That demand and the weekend land grab have been quietly dropped — for now — and UEFA is keen to shake hands with the clubs on a new Champions League format next month. The plan is for the eight groups of four to become a 36-team league in which the clubs play 10 games, five at home, five away, with the top 16 progressing to the knockout rounds. Known as a “Swiss model” league, it is widely used in chess.

This move, however, will still upset the domestic leagues, who worry that these extra European games will hoover up scarce media rights money and might just be the start of something, not the end. After all, Swiss model leagues are famously flexible and some chess tournaments have hundreds of players.

What’s new?​

There is one key difference that explains why FIFA was, this week, so willing to leap to the aid of UEFA, an organisation with whom, in football parlance, it has history.

As the body that sits atop the system, FIFA is always going to have an interest in preserving the status quo. But having watched the Champions League help UEFA become far richer than it is, and European teams dominate the World Cup, FIFA wants a piece of the lucrative club game.

It knows its current offering, the Club World Cup, is only really of interest to fans of the European and South American teams that nearly always contest the final, and even then, the European teams’ fans do not always care that much.

So, FIFA president Infantino, a former UEFA man, wants to replace that with a four-yearly, 24-team, summer Club World Cup that really would find the best club team in the world and excite fans everywhere. He had hoped to get that started in China this summer. But unfortunately China got something else started in late 2019, scuppering Infantino’s plans and pretty much everyone else’s, too.
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"The biggest clubs do not just want as much money as they have now, they want more.

Who can blame them: none of them really makes any money."

And there lies the problem, sod the rest of the lower leagues.
 
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