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Absolutely, and anyone who they fear they can't control is destroyed using the tools they have to hand, mainly msn. Left and right don't matter to them. Left and right is nothing but a pantomime.
 
Richardvanles said:
Absolutely, and anyone who they fear they can't control is destroyed using the tools they have to hand, mainly msn. Left and right don't matter to them. Left and right is nothing but a pantomime.
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I remember being at Watford a few years ago watching all those bastards leave their bilderberg meeting...
 
bnet said:
look you prick, if you want to make it personal take it off here.
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Nah. I’ll just wait for you to substantiate your outlandish nonsense.
Which of course you will, due to your extensive research*.


*reading cobblers on sites frequented by pub bores and people who think Tik Tok has a legitimate force in social change.
 
Stamfox said:
Nah. I’ll just wait for you to substantiate your outlandish nonsense.
Which of course you will, due to your extensive research*.


*reading cobblers on sites frequented by pub bores and people who think Tik Tok has a legitimate force in social change.
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go away no ones interested you bore.
 
Richard. Regarding education and indoctrination.

You are a classic example. So far to the left and you don't even see it, or at least admit to it.

Thatcher was deposed 30 years ago, so I was discussing the post Thatcher period, Major preceded over a corrupt government, though pretty small scale by modern standards. Blair was a modern 'social marxist' and very effective in his nasty way, the rest were globalists for whom the well being of the people of this country was of no consequence whatsoever.

Marxism, as practised today is simply a tool used by the globalists to demoralise and control. Ironic given that the globalists are actually the arch capitalists.
 
Good thread.
You know... I sense, I might be wrong, but I sense that all of these definitions are used, thrown to us like bones to scrap with each other. To help us 'define' ourselves.... Of course, identify, divide, and in our very limited way, believe that 'we' are deconstructing, redefining, setting ourselves free, rebuilding this new world, but in reality, we're just being played.
 
AFCDorset said:
Richard. Regarding education and indoctrination.

You are a classic example. So far to the left and you don't even see it, or at least admit to it.

Thatcher was deposed 30 years ago, so I was discussing the post Thatcher period, Major preceded over a corrupt government, though pretty small scale by modern standards. Blair was a modern 'social marxist' and very effective in his nasty way, the rest were globalists for whom the well being of the people of this country was of no consequence whatsoever.

Marxism, as practised today is simply a tool used by the globalists to demoralise and control. Ironic given that the globalists are actually the arch capitalists.
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Sounds like you're just adding labels to well, label something. Marxism is Marxism. It either is or it isn't and these globalist certainly ain't Marxists.
 
Richardvanles said:
Sounds like you're just adding labels to well, label something. Marxism is Marxism. It either is or it isn't and these globalist certainly ain't Marxists.
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All control regimes have the same end game whatever we call them, it’s control (slavery) of the 99.9%. The best basic description I’ve heard today is it’s Common Law v Maritime Law. If we have people fighting for Common Law then we are in the right war, plus of this is the case, good wins everytime. If we stretch this it’s the 0.01% against us, which is true and then you can start to expand from that point. This is more or less what I’ve been doing without realising it. Know the enemy!
 
bnet said:
as i've said, i've not been interested in politics up until recently, but thinking back most PM's have been deep state controlled. Thatcher was acting out globalist plans by destroying national industries thinking back, so i'd say she was. Blair, Cameron and Heath without doubt and easily to spot DS controlled, i'd guess that all others were the same.
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Who are”deep state”?
 
bnet said:
All control regimes have the same end game whatever we call them, it’s control (slavery) of the 99.9%. The best basic description I’ve heard today is it’s Common Law v Maritime Law. If we have people fighting for Common Law then we are in the right war, plus of this is the case, good wins everytime. If we stretch this it’s the 0.01% against us, which is true and then you can start to expand from that point. This is more or less what I’ve been doing without realising it. Know the enemy!
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Six or seven years ago I got interested in the common law movement (through John Harris) clearly a lovely well meaning guy which I think led to his suicide. Common law is the only law you need. What else more could you want. Statutes have been put in place to penalise us to control us by financial loss.
The problem with common law is 1. It's been too often linked to the Magna Carta which never even tried to protect us peasants, only the Lords and agreed by Royalty so it could be used as a bargaining chip in future squabbles.
2. This judicial system will just ride roughshod over common law.
That's what John Harris failed to see.
 
Magna Carta was the first step on the way to English Common Law and parliamentary democracy. For that reason it's importance can not be overestimated.

An independent court system and a functional parliament are required to make that work yet we have been systematically destroying both over the last 20-30 years. The pace of this change has been incredible, some have used it to their advantage, others have tried to pretend it isn't happening but the move towards corpus juris and tribal politics is obvious to anyone paying attention.
 
AFCDorset said:
Magna Carta was the first step on the way to English Common Law and parliamentary democracy. For that reason it's importance can not be overestimated.

An independent court system and a functional parliament are required to make that work yet we have been systematically destroying both over the last 20-30 years. The pace of this change has been incredible, some have used it to their advantage, others have tried to pretend it isn't happening but the move towards corpus juris and tribal politics is obvious to anyone paying attention.
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Think you'll find it goes back further than that.
People only pay attention when they want to.
Poll tax liability orders being issued in magistrate courts spring to mind...
 
Probably does go back further Richard, but the acceleration of the changes in recent years is indisputable is it not.

Never quite got the Poll Tax issue, so that point goes over my head. You can explain if you have the time.
 
None payment of poll tax was a civil offence. Moving the cases to a magistrates court quickly made the none payment a criminal offence hence quick route to prison. Not for the actual offence of none payment but for contemp of court for ignoring the court order to pay. This still stands today with none payment of community charge. Possibly the only debt you can go to prison for In England.
 
Apart from the BBC licence fee of course...:cry:

Thanks, I was actually in the US working at that time so not up to speed with that. The riots made the news, but no detail.

Manipulating the courts for a political end is real 'banana republic' stuff. Never expected it to happen in the UK but it now seems common place.
 
AFCDorset said:
Apart from the BBC licence fee of course...:cry:

Thanks, I was actually in the US working at that time so not up to speed with that. The riots made the news, but no detail.

Manipulating the courts for a political end is real 'banana republic' stuff. Never expected it to happen in the UK but it now seems common place.
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But like you say. Our rights and freedom have slowly been eroded away but in recent years it's happening on steroids. Now we're actually begging for it.
The quicker we give our freedom up the quicker we get it back said no one who knows about history.
 
This has moved into the Left or Right theme of that named thread in here. I would conside myself left wing and would tend to believe in socialist principles, although in it's purest form I know it would never work in a country like ours as there's too many people want something for nothing and those that want to have more than somone else as status is important to them. I just want a fairer society where people shouldn't need foodbanks, be left to sleep on the street etc. There's plenty to go round, we're a rich nation, but those in control and the MSM keep the plebs in check by chucking them dead cat stories about brown people in dinghies while continuing to give their chums billions in dodgy contracts and tax dodges.
 
John Harris was great for showing people how it all works and how its all a total scam. I know people who are waiting for world passports and people who have had their mortgages squashed because they are ALL illegal. They have been saying for a while now that Trump will retrain the judges on Common Law, and if he does it will follow to the rest of the world l believe. Have you ever listened to john Taylor Gatto or David Wynn-Miller, l was on them both at the same time as John Harris. By the way theres a good FB page dedicated to common law and actions that are being taken already. I think common law goes back to the start of civilisation as its just a basic system for society to keep in good health. Commit no harm, loss or injury, says and covers it all doesn't it.

Astley, Googles your freind. Its a lying freind but you'll get the clues.

Edited to add, Trump is said to be taking the US out of maritine law, and the clue is the fringed flags of the courts. not sure if this is true or not but everyones looking for hints to the prove the rumour.
 
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Club_boo. It is an unfortunate fact that some people are more successful in life than others.

Some need help in coping in modern society, this is where I support socialist ideas that help and support them to move forward and upwards in their lives, help with education and basic healthcare for example.

I abhor the modern socialist principles of turning those less successful than others into dependents of the state, primarily for political reasons.

For a country to support such principles requires a certain amount of 'wealth', this is most successfully accrued by 'capitalism', (very occasionally by 'natural' wealth/resources,) whether you approve of it or not.

Socialist principles should never be applied at government level, they are devisive and destructive and will destroy the wealth of any country foolish enough to let them into power.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
This has moved into the Left or Right theme of that named thread in here. I would conside myself left wing and would tend to believe in socialist principles, although in it's purest form I know it would never work in a country like ours as there's too many people want something for nothing and those that want to have more than somone else as status is important to them. I just want a fairer society where people shouldn't need foodbanks, be left to sleep on the street etc. There's plenty to go round, we're a rich nation, but those in control and the MSM keep the plebs in check by chucking them dead cat stories about brown people in dinghies while continuing to give their chums billions in dodgy contracts and tax dodges.
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Club_boo. It is an unfortunate fact that some people are more successful in life than others.

Some need help in coping in modern society, this is where I support socialist ideas that help and support them to move forward and upwards in their lives, help with education and basic healthcare for example.

I abhor the modern socialist principles of turning those less successful than others into dependents of the state, primarily for political reasons.

For a country to support such principles requires a certain amount of 'wealth', this is most successfully accrued by 'capitalism', (very occasionally by 'natural' wealth/resources,) whether you approve of it or not.

Socialist principles should never be applied at government level, they are devisive and destructive and will destroy the wealth of any country foolish enough to let them into power.
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The fact you point out what you think is decisive and destructive in socialism but fail to point out facts that are devisive and destructive in capitalism is disappointing.
Cronyism, tax avoidance are just two I'd point out a lot more devisive and destructive than any socialist policy.
It's bordering on obscene that millions upon millions can be squirrelled quite legally away in tax havens. It's totally immoral whereby mates can be given lucrative contracts that the rest of us will pay for.
Left and right is bollocks. It's us against the establishment (and the kulaks 😜 )
 
Socialist principles in themselves aren't destructive, it's the people that are in power that aren't true socialists. We'll never have a socialist society but I do think the principles should be applied in order to spread the wealth more fairly. Unfortunately too many people are easily led and can't see they are being played. It'sanother reason we'll never stop immigration, as who are we going to blame then? The serfs might start to see what's really happening if there's fewer people to blame.
 
a socialist society will never work, anywhere, its unnatural. A benevolent society would, as its the perfect system, but we are programmed not to be that way, as to give the stat,e all the control.
 
Richard and Club_boo.

Croneyism, tax fraud and corruption are just as prevalent under socialist regimes as capitalist, check out Castro's billion dollar fortune, Maria Chavez is worth even more, check out the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, all looting their people blind.

It is a sad fact that a few people do obscenely well under capitalism, while some miss out entirely but it remains the only wealth creating system on the planet. To my mind, it is pretty simple capitalism creates the wealth, socialism spends it.

Until quite recently it was possible for a person of normal intelligence living in a western capitalist country to get a decent education, make the right decisions, work hard and have a good life. In many cases doing so in such a way as to make the lives of their children even better. For many people it was more than enough, that simply does not happen under socialism.

Spreading the 'wealth' more fairly is typical socialism. It fails because it's fundamental tenet is that business is simply the exploitation of others, I reckon some on here actually believe that.
 
AFCDorset said:
What has happened in this country goes back 30 or more years,

It is classic marxism/communism.

1. Demoralize. Use a marxist dominated education system to produce an entire generation of socialists.
2. Destabilize. Use immigration, job destruction and intersectionality to disrupt society.
3. Crisis. Use violence, economic collapse and authoritarianism to produce a marxist/totalitarian state.

It should be obvious to all that we are now well into number 3.

Whether the marxist/totalitarian state is the end game or merely the means to implement something worse, remains to be seen.
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There have been a number of actual live communist totalitarian states (and a number of attempted ones). I can't think of any where studying the history of how they came to be would make you think that your points 1 and 2 were seriously in play. Point 3 is more valid but the way you express it it;s not clear what you think the causality is (I mean, I think you are making a claim about causality, but it's at best only partially correct).
 
AFCDorset said:
Richard and Club_boo.

Croneyism, tax fraud and corruption are just as prevalent under socialist regimes as capitalist, check out Castro's billion dollar fortune, Maria Chavez is worth even more, check out the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, all looting their people blind.

It is a sad fact that a few people do obscenely well under capitalism, while some miss out entirely but it remains the only wealth creating system on the planet. To my mind, it is pretty simple capitalism creates the wealth, socialism spends it.

Until quite recently it was possible for a person of normal intelligence living in a western capitalist country to get a decent education, make the right decisions, work hard and have a good life. In many cases doing so in such a way as to make the lives of their children even better. For many people it was more than enough, that simply does not happen under socialism.

Spreading the 'wealth' more fairly is typical socialism. It fails because it's fundamental tenet is that business is simply the exploitation of others, I reckon some on here actually believe that.
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I was talking about tax avoidance (which is quite legal) not tax evasion (which is illegal) so while illegal activities will continue in both set ups, as you point out, tax avoidance is something which our capitalist society have exploited for many years.
Maybe the way forward is benevolent Conservatism but as proven in the past that hasn't really worked as there are alway some people who want their fair share and more and will look at exploiting the system to achieve that goal.
All I know is the system is crooked and at every time a socialist or communist system has evolved capitalist countries have done their utmost to undermine that country either my covert operations or overt sanctions and then claim proof that socialism/ communism doesn't work holding those countries up as shining examples of failure.
 
Morning Steve.

Fair comment, it is just a message board and I was being neither clear nor precise. Since you made sensible comments I thought I would try and give you a sensible response. So...

I was thinking in terms of socialism in the last 50yrs or so. It started with the re-emergence of 'street level' activism of the kind that almost brought down the French Republic in 1968 and the philosophical dogma of post-modernism that drove the 'intellectual' side of the agenda.

Street level activism became very deliberately 'formalised' around this time, Saul Alinsky's books provide the template for socialist action and covered everything from mass street demonstrations to anti government 'terrorist' groups such as the 'Weathermen' and Red Brigade.

While these groups were highly visible, there was a lot that was not, the radicalisation of our schools and particularly our universities produced left wing graduates, most of whom found work in 'public service' and political organisations. The slowly moved the Overton window so far to the left that Cameron, a social democrat at best, was considered to be a conservative.

The government since 2010, though Conservative by name was anything but, 'Continuity New Labour' as far as I can see. Perfectly happy to continue with the methods of socialism, immigration, job destruction and intersectionality, both political and social to disrupt and destroy what was left of British society.

These are points 1, and 2, of my earlier post, part 3, Crisis, has just begun, the manufactured covid panic is the means.
 
haardaarss said:
Internet "experts". Don't you just love 'em.
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Yeah... people trying to make sense of the world and life.
I'm not informed enough to comment on some of this, on other bits I'm trying to make sense of the world and life, and so I'm happy to read this on here. Of course, it's probably futile, and you're probably justified in mocking, but only to a certain degree.
By all means haardaars, if you can do better, get on with it and help me out.
 
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