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AFCDorset

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The worst government in living memory up against the revitalised Labour part under Starmer.

The numbers will be interesting!
 

AFCDorset

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I am not a great believer of Polls but numbers on the day will be interesting.

The idea that the country can not find a viable alternative to the Johnson government at the current time is, frankly, pretty unbelievable.
 

Billsballbag

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It has to be the lack of trust from the legacy of Corbyn.

Or the fact that MP’s like the Millipede were given safe labour seats in the North East whilst not having been there before.

Or the fact that Starmer keeps going on about wallpaper when people are more interest in vaccines.
 

hackneyfox

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It has to be the lack of trust from the legacy of Corbyn.

Or the fact that MP’s like the Millipede were given safe labour seats in the North East whilst not having been there before.

Or the fact that Starmer keeps going on about wallpaper when people are more interest in vaccines.
People should have the mental calamity to take an interest in both Tory sleaze and vaccines. It isn’t an either/or.
 

Birstallblue

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It has to be the lack of trust from the legacy of Corbyn.

Or the fact that MP’s like the Millipede were given safe labour seats in the North East whilst not having been there before.

Or the fact that Starmer keeps going on about wallpaper when people are more interest in vaccines.
Or the promise to make tees a “free port”
 

MrTeabreak

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It has to be the lack of trust from the legacy of Corbyn.

Or the fact that MP’s like the Millipede were given safe labour seats in the North East whilst not having been there before.

Or the fact that Starmer keeps going on about wallpaper when people are more interest in vaccines.
I can tell Labour how to fix their problem but i doubt they'll want to listen.
 

Richardvanles

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It has to be the lack of trust from the legacy of Corbyn.

Or the fact that MP’s like the Millipede were given safe labour seats in the North East whilst not having been there before.

Or the fact that Starmer keeps going on about wallpaper when people are more interest in vaccines.
Yeah must be Corbyns fault. Seeing as though the Labour majority increased each time when he was leader.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Hartlepool should have been Tory in 2019. The Brexit Party split the vote for the Tories.

The Labour candidate lives in Stockton, right next to Hartlepool. The Tory lives in Thirsk, 40 miles away.

Jill Mortimer is a wealthy landowner barrister, who has admitted she has "not spent a lot of time" in Hartlepool.

No idea why Labour fielded a strong Remainer in a heavily pro-Brexit town?
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
A good question.
Probably a deliberate ploy to lose, to shake things up internally.

There may be a Cabinet reshuffle.

The big problem for Starmer is that the way forward is probably Blue Labour, but that ground is already occupied by the Red Tories. The current Tory lot is full to the brim with traditional elites and pompous twats; but Boris is at heart a One Nation Tory. Whether it is true or not, Boris already appears to large parts of the populace, to be what Starmer wants to be himself. But also a version that has delivered Brexit (arguable) and forged ahead with the vaccines (most have had them) and is a little less serious. In a world of personality politics over substance; perhaps Starmer is of the wrong time?
 

Filbo65

Thatched roofer
Interpretation, interpretation, interpretation... 😉


Professor of EU law Catherine Barnard wrote that while there are many potential benefits of free ports, within the EU “it is not, however, easy for companies to benefit from these arrangements.”

“Approvals for FZ [free zones] are also subject to EU state aid rules.”

EU state aid rules generally prohibit EU governments from providing support to certain companies over their competitors. This can limit the abilities of member states setting up free ports with tax incentives (as this would essentially provide support for businesses within free ports compared to those outside of them).

Professor Barnard illustrated this, saying:The difficulty of obtaining an FZ status can be illustrated by the Shannon FZ in the Republic of Ireland. The Shannon FZ was successfully launched in 1958 but, upon Ireland’s accession to the EU in 1973, the incentives in the Shannon FZ were limited in order to comply with EU state aid rules (e.g. the 0% corporate income tax was increased to 10%).”

EU rules also mean it’s more difficult for businesses to engage in something called “tariff inversion”. Because tariffs on component parts are often higher than tariffs on finished goods, it can be advantageous for a business to transport components to a free port, turn them into finished goods, and then import those finished goods into the rest of that country with a lower tariff.

A 2005 paper from a UN body said: “The [European] Commission does allow the establishment of free zones within its territory but its definition of free zone is a very narrow one.”
 

Filbo65

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There may be a Cabinet reshuffle.

The big problem for Starmer is that the way forward is probably Blue Labour, but that ground is already occupied by the Red Tories. The current Tory lot is full to the brim with traditional elites and pompous twats; but Boris is at heart a One Nation Tory. Whether it is true or not, Boris already appears to large parts of the populace, to be what Starmer wants to be himself. But also a version that has delivered Brexit (arguable) and forged ahead with the vaccines (most have had them) and is a little less serious. In a world of personality politics over substance; perhaps Starmer is of the wrong time?
Surely the past 45 years show that blue labour is the only sort that is electable in the eyes of the UK.
I guess no-one can blame some people for wanting to deny that and plough a more leftie furrow, but it does get a bit tiresome when everyone else's stupidity / selfishness / short-sightedness gets blamed for their failings.
 

AFCDorset

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Of course there are free ports in the EU, but their functionality is strictly limited by EU rules.

Setting up a free port in the Tyne/Tees area was to be part of a larger economic enterprise scheme, part of the (laughably named) Northern Powerhouse, and would most definitely be against EU rules.

Not that it will ever happen of course, our government are still very much in the pocket of the EU in such matters.
 
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