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Richardvanles

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😂At least i’ve got mates 😂
You can't class people on the internet who pay so much interest in you and want to know so much more about you they ask questions like
What was the name of your first pet.
What was your mothers maiden name and where did your parents meet, as mates.
Sorry to disappoint.
 

Richardvanles

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Hadn't the water supply been switched back a year before obama drank the flint water? I'd agree it was a crass gesture.

I'm still unclear with your conflation to obama? Are you saying it was his fault?
It was his fault that those in charge were allowed to get away with it. Lots of enquiries but only one person convicted.
Odd that the main man has just been charged. Under Trumps administration.
 

Richardvanles

Season Ticket Holder
Hadn't the water supply been switched back a year before obama drank the flint water? I'd agree it was a crass gesture.

I'm still unclear with your conflation to obama? Are you saying it was his fault?
Yes a crass gesture and his first visit to the place. How many years after the initial issue.
Not great leadership.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Mostly though the issue for me is the response, the last serious (virus) infection, 'swineflu' was spread over 2 winters, 2009/10 and 2010/11 and the number of deaths were comparable to the current outbreak. In this instance it was not deemed necessary to shut down the economy and destroy the social and family life of the country. Surprisingly we worked through it and came out the other side.

Hence the scam, it is the manipulation of a rather serious health issue into something that it is not and using the fear generated to wreck the country.

You can't compare the figures for the two years of Swine Flu a decade ago and the current virus. We've had three national lockdowns and numerous local restrictions and the numbers are still high. There were no restrictions ten years ago.

What would the death toll be at present, without any action taken?

I'm not a fan of the lockdowns, or reduction in freedoms. This could have all been handled very differently. We are where we are, not because of some nasty plan to imprison us, or control the sheep. Many countries across the world are carrying on pretty normally at present.

The problems we have are a result of incompetence.
 

Richardvanles

Season Ticket Holder
You can't compare the figures for the two years of Swine Flu a decade ago and the current virus. We've had three national lockdowns and numerous local restrictions and the numbers are still high. There were no restrictions ten years ago.

What would the death toll be at present, without any action taken?

I'm not a fan of the lockdowns, or reduction in freedoms. This could have all been handled very differently. We are where we are, not because of some nasty plan to imprison us, or control the sheep. Many countries across the world are carrying on pretty normally at present.

The problems we have are a result of incompetence.
Do you think that's all it is though?
Incompetence.
 

BarrowFox

Season Ticket Holder
It was his fault that those in charge were allowed to get away with it. Lots of enquiries but only one person convicted.
Odd that the main man has just been charged. Under Trumps administration.
Didn't the court cases all take place during the trump administration?
 

bnet

Season Ticket Holder
You seem to equate intelligence with money . Well put aside he was born into billions and bankrupted himself 3 times ( and another soon to come ) , I grant you Trump is very good at manipulating gullible people and bullying his way into power .
Other than that he seems totally ignorant of history , science , geography and pretty much everything else as far as I can see .
so you are more intelligent than one of the richest men in the world, whos also the most powerful man in the world. He didn't need to take the job on because he is fantastically rich, hes had beautiful wifes and is admired by millions, yet you are brighter than him, and admired by more with supermodels living in your mansion. You're fucking crackers mate 🤪😂😁
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
so you are more intelligent than one of the richest men in the world, whos also the most powerful man in the world. He didn't need to take the job on because he is fantastically rich, hes had beautiful wifes and is admired by millions, yet you are brighter than him, and admired by more with supermodels living in your mansion. You're fucking crackers mate 🤪😂😁

Are you thicker than Trump then?

Money does not equate to intelligence. You could win the lottery. You could find some money. You could inherit a fortune from your KKK daddy...
 

Richardvanles

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Didn't the court cases all take place during the trump administration?
Court papers were filed in 2016. Prior to Trump. Who was the guy who admitting falsifying papers and stuff and was pardoned by agreeing to help prosecute others. Pardoned, people died and loads of babies stillborn ffs.
 

Foxgolfer

Season Ticket Holder
so you are more intelligent than one of the richest men in the world, whos also the most powerful man in the world. He didn't need to take the job on because he is fantastically rich, hes had beautiful wifes and is admired by millions, yet you are brighter than him, and admired by more with supermodels living in your mansion. You're fucking crackers mate 🤪😂

Your equation of wealth with intelligence is bizarre . I didn’t claim to be more intelligent than Trump, but I have witnessed staggering ignorance . I credited him with unusually outstanding ability to bully and manipulate .
 

Richardvanles

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Without a shred of doubt. Look at the countries who have managed the pandemic fine.
Ok, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I believe this government saw a way to prop up the fiat currency that was crumbling and used this as a way of creating debt. Let’s face it, our manufacturing base is fucked and what we do have is owned by foreign companies and governments.
I know you’re not daft and understand how the banking system works. My belief is this debt that’s been created that is owed to no one doesn’t need to be paid back to anyone. It could be done. Every country could do it. It reduces every countries “wealth” by X % so no country is worse off. But they won’t do that. They’ve created this big black financial hole that we are expected to pay back. (The irony is we are paying it back to our government who created it out of nothing) so why not spend as much as we can and the cherry on the cake is give our money to the establishment millionaires to sustain the way of life they are used.
 

bnet

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Are you thicker than Trump then?

Money does not equate to intelligence. You could win the lottery. You could find some money. You could inherit a fortune from your KKK daddy...
yes, l am thicker than Trump, without doubt. In most cases more money DOES equate to intelligence, everyone wants to be comfortable so the most comfortable have succeeded where as the skint have failed, you can mark off the levels in-between. You other BS about finding money and inheriting it is only applicable in a minute percent of life.

By the way Trump is the only president to be worth less money than he had when he took office, does that not make you deniers think, sorry thats the problem, the ability to "think". You are a silly billy.
 

Mistryman

Follower
so you are more intelligent than one of the richest men in the world, whos also the most powerful man in the world. He didn't need to take the job on because he is fantastically rich, hes had beautiful wifes and is admired by millions, yet you are brighter than him, and admired by more with supermodels living in your mansion. You're fucking crackers mate 🤪😂😁
This was actually typed, read, possibly slightly edited & then submitted. Incredible.
 

bnet

Season Ticket Holder
You must forget about countries being self determined, they are not, this is all to do with 200 year old at least world controllers, the war starters, the boom and bust inflation manipulators. Them ! your slave owners, the people who have the power of life and death, the ones who give us cancer and disease. Yes cancer is man made, and to save you stamping your feet about that quote i'll tell you where it comes from. All cancers are from toxic food, toxic air, toxic water, pharmaceuticals and stress, stress is brought on y the difficulties in life, also brought on by how the world works. You eat, drink, breath in shit, then you "fix" your sickness with poisons. Work it out for yourself.
 

bnet

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Remember . Bnet is CONSIDERABLY RICHER THAN THOU!!.
how do you know ? l don't know ! l just have no respect for money and its not my god. I've been skinter than you could imaging more than once, so thats a bull shit comment, Its only my attitude to money that makes you think that l am, not necessarily in reality, who cares anyway it was a point that you made about Trump being thick ffs. Grow up you twat.
 

BarrowFox

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Court papers were filed in 2016. Prior to Trump. Who was the guy who admitting falsifying papers and stuff and was pardoned by agreeing to help prosecute others. Pardoned, people died and loads of babies stillborn ffs.
Sorry, but I thought the prosecution was ended in 2019 and the investigation restarted.

But with respect you originally you conflated the deaths to Obama.
 

shanetko

Season Ticket Holder
and you wanted to be a proffessional gambler. Do you know why you failed ? because its obvious to me. The name of the game is to gather information, look where others are not for this info, make contacts that can help you with this info, appraise it with a logical mind then put your money on all of this. Reading your garbage, you have no ability to do any of this, you seem so ate up with hate you focus on a subject (Trump in this case) and ignore all practical logic because you are projecting your mental issues. You can not think critically. I could pull every comment of yours to bits, bit there isn't any point, it won't sink in, in fact you won't be able to even grasp it so l don't bother.

You acted like a 5 year old a few months ago when you threw a random insult but aimed at certain people on in here in your OP. I pulled you and called you a fat cunt, l used theses words because of what you was implying by calling people, me included, on here "Gammons". You are a fat useless cunt but you wouldn't have had to hear it if you hadn't called others basically the same (Gammon).

l mean the things you say about Trump, ffs, do you really think he's thick and stupid ? no matter if you hate him (with no reason that you can quote except youre need for a hate figure) or not, hes a billionaire you're a skint member. Do you realise how off the mark you are ? l guess you won't understand what i'm saying unfortunately. l put my hand out to you to help when you was going on about topping yourself, but you insulted me. You act like a prick, thats why you are where you are.
Just been sent this and had to open an account for right of reply.

I’ve done fuck all to you and here we go again I’m having to defend abuse off you. I’ve no idea who this golfer is. Stop dragging my name through the mud you lunatic.
 

Richardvanles

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Sorry, but I thought the prosecution was ended in 2019 and the investigation restarted.

But with respect you originally you conflated the deaths to Obama.
I was talking from the point of democracy. How WE, sort of think that somehow the West is made up of democratic societies. Think we all see it as setting us apart from the rest of the world when the truth is we’re only as democratic as they let us. The minute the ones with the power are challenged democracy goes out the window. Which isn’t democracy in my book.
 

AFCDorset

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You can't compare the figures for the two years of Swine Flu a decade ago and the current virus. We've had three national lockdowns and numerous local restrictions and the numbers are still high. There were no restrictions ten years ago.

What would the death toll be at present, without any action taken?

I'm not a fan of the lockdowns, or reduction in freedoms. This could have all been handled very differently. We are where we are, not because of some nasty plan to imprison us, or control the sheep. Many countries across the world are carrying on pretty normally at present.

The problems we have are a result of incompetence.
The logic works both ways sixthswan, we do not know that the lockdowns have been successful, maybe they have not altered to numbers at all, we really do not know.

Maybe, had the NHS not closed down and had treated patients as normal the death toll would have been lower. I don't know but such discussions are to miss the point.

We have nasty winter flu/virus seasons from time to time what has happened in the last year is exceptional only in the way it has been handled. I do not believe the lockdowns and other restrictions have helped significantly and am sure in my own mind that they have made things worse in a number of ways.

The question remains, deliberate or simply the consequences of a totally inept government?

Everyone can make up their own mind on this, the deciding factor for me is that virtually all the western 'democracies' have handled covid in a similar manner, this to me implies some sort of pressure on an international level so I fear this is deliberate in some way.
 

Mistryman

Follower
I'm not following what you're saying here:

"The minute the ones with the power are challenged democracy goes out the window" - are you saying that those in power should never be challenged?

To use Trump as an example, just because he was 'outsider' elected democratically, doesn't make him immune to being challenged.
 

Daz40

Season Ticket Holder
so you are more intelligent than one of the richest men in the world, whos also the most powerful man in the world. He didn't need to take the job on because he is fantastically rich, hes had beautiful wifes and is admired by millions, yet you are brighter than him, and admired by more with supermodels living in your mansion. You're fucking crackers mate 🤪😂😁
So what attracted you to the millionaire then😂
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
The logic works both ways sixthswan, we do not know that the lockdowns have been successful, maybe they have not altered to numbers at all, we really do not know.

Maybe, had the NHS not closed down and had treated patients as normal the death toll would have been lower. I don't know but such discussions are to miss the point.

We have nasty winter flu/virus seasons from time to time what has happened in the last year is exceptional only in the way it has been handled. I do not believe the lockdowns and other restrictions have helped significantly and am sure in my own mind that they have made things worse in a number of ways.

The question remains, deliberate or simply the consequences of a totally inept government?

Everyone can make up their own mind on this, the deciding factor for me is that virtually all the western 'democracies' have handled covid in a similar manner, this to me implies some sort of pressure on an international level so I fear this is deliberate in some way.

Or there are many incompetent western democracies...
 
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