Hearing that the Arizona recount has finished

Boris has been quite appalling since the election, I'm pro Brexit as you know and I feel very badly served by the government going back as far as the referendum.

The performance is so bad that I think it has to have been deliberate, a 'punishment beating' for failing to vote the right way.
 
Plenty of evidence reported to be coming in, saying that the fraud is real. dont take my word for it just wait until December when the truth comes out.
 
Plenty of evidence reported to be coming in, saying that the fraud is real. dont take my word for it just wait until December when the truth comes out.

That's odd, because it appears there is zero evidence to date to back up claims of fraud.

Sorry, I forgot that a senior Republican asked the Georgia secretary of state(also a republican) to find a way to discard legitimate mail in ballots in an effort to help trump win.
 
That's odd, because it appears there is zero evidence to date to back up claims of fraud.

Sorry, I forgot that a senior Republican asked the Georgia secretary of state(also a republican) to find a way to discard legitimate mail in ballots in an effort to help trump win.
I did say wait , Do your research on Sky News Australia there as neutral as you can get.
 
I did say wait , Do your research on Sky News Australia there as neutral as you can get.
So, I read the news report, then searched for the background details.


Votes found through the audit that began last week after officials in Republican-leaning Floyd County discovered they failed to upload a memory card

So during the audit that always takes place after an election count, uncounted votes were found, 1600 for trump, 800 for biden, a mistake made by republican officials in a republican state, not fraud and was picked up during the usual process.

The rest of the article quotes a trump employee claming fraud but crucially offering zero evidence of any fraud, talk is cheap.
 
Election officials from 29 counties across Georgia told CNN they finished their audits and found no discrepancies with the results — further discrediting President Trump’s lies about widespread fraud in the state. Officials say the recount will end tomorrow and affirm Biden's win
 
Election officials from 29 counties across Georgia told CNN they finished their audits and found no discrepancies with the results — further discrediting President Trump’s lies about widespread fraud in the state. Officials say the recount will end tomorrow and affirm Biden's win
You seem to have a problem with the word WAIT?
 
You seem to have a problem with the word WAIT?
No problem, you h
You seem to have a problem with the word WAIT?
No problem with the word wait, but you post this :

Plenty of evidence reported to be coming in, saying that the fraud is real. dont take my word for it just wait until December when the truth comes out.

I checked this out and found that you had misrepresented an article by wrongly stating that evidence of fraud was real when in fact this isn't true, this may change as the days pass, but as of right now, no fraud found.

You seem to have a problem with the words, no evidence
 
Boris has been quite appalling since the election, I'm pro Brexit as you know and I feel very badly served by the government going back as far as the referendum.

The performance is so bad that I think it has to have been deliberate, a 'punishment beating' for failing to vote the right way.
Why would a pro leave cabinet (how many are ERG?) and party want to beat people for having voted Leave?
 
It isn't a pro leave cabinet.

The ERG turned out to be nothing more than a pressure group within the Tory party lobbying for there own interests.
 
Three of the top four posts are Brexiters and that includes the PM. That tends to make your claim 'The performance is so bad that I think it has to have been deliberate, a 'punishment beating' for failing to vote the right way' looka bit daft.
 
They are not Brexiteers, not even remotely so, that has been proved time after time over the last 4+ years.

The Remain campaign was, by and large, based on economic predictions of failure and despite the vote, the tory party, with plenty of help from elsewhere, has done it's very best to bring that about.

This is not Brexit and it is now abundantly clear that we were never going to be allowed to leave. The appalling mess we are in is government policy to keep us in, not get us out. Beating the country up economically and failing to act on any other issue of importance to voters is how it is being done.

The 'bad performance' that I describe is the blatant lying to the voters of recent governments but on the other hand the project to keep us tied to the EU whilst giving the impression otherwise, is being carried out rather well.
 
The problem has always been that 52% of those who voted, wanted to Leave, but the vast majority of MPs on all sides of the house; supported Remain.

Cameron really did fuck our country up.
 
The Brexit leave thing is disgusting, the government have never wanted to leave. if nothing else it has proven we really have no say in what happens in this country. These people have a global agenda they do not even try and hide anymore.
 
The problem has always been that 52% of those who voted, wanted to Leave, but the vast majority of MPs on all sides of the house; supported Remain.

Cameron really did fuck our country up.
He certainly did, and to make sure, he did it twice.

By calling the bloody thing in the first place and secondly by not enacting Article 50 as soon as the result was known.
 
Also with all of his anti EU and immigration blithering and austerity measures; which made the Leave vote much more likely.
 
The Brexit leave thing is disgusting, the government have never wanted to leave. if nothing else it has proven we really have no say in what happens in this country. These people have a global agenda they do not even try and hide anymore.
But we have left the EU (whether the government wanted to or not)
 
Yes the "will" of the people has been acted upon. Or interpreted; because the Referendum didn't include a roadmap.
 
We are still paying in, new payments not ongoing commitments, subject to the ECJ, military commitments, etc.

Frost and Boris will roll over, they will try and spin it as 'leave with a deal' but it will be a fuckup.
The manner by which we left the EU and how we end the transition period, are interpretations of the "will" of the people. There wasn't a Referendum about how we left.
Bit disingenuous sixth', Cameron said clearly that if we voted to leave we would leave.

Leave the Single market, customs union.
Control immigration, secure our borders.
Leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ and all other EU institutions.

Full details are in the Government Leaflet.

Leave the EU and start with a clean slate. There was never any intention of letting that happen which is why Cameron quit.
 
Sorry AFCD but Leave campaign did not run on a clean slate mandate.

Farage said we should not leave the CU or SM. He changed his tune after the referendum not before.
 
Did the leaflet mention anything about deals, or no deals?
Not that I recall.
Sorry AFCD but Leave campaign did not run on a clean slate mandate.

Farage said we should not leave the CU or SM. He changed his tune after the referendum not before.
But the government did. They spent £9m of our money telling us so.

We should have left as as promised. We were lied to by the government from the beginning, simple as.

Farage was never part of the government.
 
Not that I recall.

But the government did. They spent £9m of our money telling us so.

We should have left as as promised. We were lied to by the government from the beginning, simple as.

Farage was never part of the government.
The leaflet doesn't explicitly state that we would leave the single market, but it does imply it.

There is no reference at all to the customs Union.

Hope this helps 👍🏻
 
You are correct, I was conflating Camerons speeches and interviews with the words of the leaflet itself.

He repeatedly states that leaving the EU requires the UK to leave the single market.

He also clearly states that the UK will have to renegotiate it's trade deals with non EU countries as these deals will no longer apply as we will be outside the CU.

I think both Leave and remain were pretty clear on this, Remain used the argument as a threat, Leave pretty much considered it one of the pivotal points of the whole campaign.

It is all implicit in the phrase 'Leave means Leave', it is hard to see how anyone would have thought otherwise.
 
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