Iverson with damming comments

He has a point though.

We got relegated and bought Mads, giving us four keepers. That's too many for a championship squad.

He wanted to leave...so far so sensible...except rudkin/the club put such a high price on his head that we end up not selling him. And have PSR issues. Makes no sense to me, especially as he came through the ranks so would have been pure profit.

Instead we lose him on a free after paying him 2 more years of wages.
 
Adumass said:
He has a point though.

We got relegated and bought Mads, giving us four keepers. That's too many for a championship squad.

He wanted to leave...so far so sensible...except rudkin/the club put such a high price on his head that we end up not selling him. And have PSR issues. Makes no sense to me, especially as he came through the ranks so would have been pure profit.

Instead we lose him on a free after paying him 2 more years of wages.
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How many bids did we receive?
What were the offers?
 
He wasn’t and isn’t a owt special as a keeper imo but I didn’t know he was a wanker til I read this massive news story 🤭🤭🤭 not ….. all of a sudden I like ward more 🙈 why does he think that’s a shock news item the bellyaching twat. He’s just jumping in on relegation drama queen stuff going on at mo and knows a few will listen to any negative stuff . Live with it we will return .
 
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courtslcfc said:
How many bids did we receive?
What were the offers?
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No idea if we even had any. But we were a club with 4 first team GKs, PSR problems, and the third (?) choice GK wanted to leave. Doesn't feel like rocket science to try and find a buyer.
But as we know, we're not very good at selling...we seemingly prefer to let players run down the contract and leave on a free.
 
Adumass said:
No idea if we even had any. But we were a club with 4 first team GKs, PSR problems, and the third (?) choice GK wanted to leave. Doesn't feel like rocket science to try and find a buyer.
But as we know, we're not very good at selling...we seemingly prefer to let players run down the contract and leave on a free.
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Did he want to leave though?
There wasn't any "agent" rumblings about him looking for a club.
I don't think we are crap at selling. I think the Thais are to proud to announce "Heres who we want to sell" and prefer others to approach us.
 
We still would've gone down with Iverson in goal Daggers. He's only marginally better than Ward. Plus it wasn't just down to the keeper for us getting relegated. There were 10 other players on the pitch.
 
MeltonFox said:
We still would've gone down with Iverson in goal Daggers. He's only marginally better than Ward. Plus it wasn't just down to the keeper for us getting relegated. There were 10 other players on the pitch.
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BUT and its a MASSIVE BUT.
We all know we would've had more effort put in by Iverson.
 
courtslcfc said:
Did he want to leave though?
There wasn't any "agent" rumblings about him looking for a club.
I don't think we are crap at selling. I think the Thais are to proud to announce "Heres who we want to sell" and prefer others to approach us.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Regarding Iverson, he says in the OP that there were clubs that wanted him, he wanted to go and play, but people wouldn't agree to let him go.

Regarding us being bad at selling. Our squad is FULL of players that at one point or another should have been sold. Mostly we end up sending them on loan, or have them stinking out the place. I get the PSR and amortisation arguments, but other clubs seem to navigate this.

Most of them have now left on a free, but some are still here.
Vestergard, been frozen put by loads of managers, but we were never able to move him on
Soutter, last two summers
Kristiensen, when we went down
Soumare, when we went down
Coady, now (rumoured for Rangers, but all gone quiet)
Faes, when we went down and again now
I think Thomas wanted to move on as well at a certain point.

Apart from cannon I can't think of the last 'mid level' player we managed to sell.
 
Adumass said:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Regarding Iverson, he says in the OP that there were clubs that wanted him, he wanted to go and play, but people wouldn't agree to let him go.

Regarding us being bad at selling. Our squad is FULL of players that at one point or another should have been sold. Mostly we end up sending them on loan, or have them stinking out the place. I get the PSR and amortisation arguments, but other clubs seem to navigate this.

Most of them have now left on a free, but some are still here.
Vestergard, been frozen put by loads of managers, but we were never able to move him on
Soutter, last two summers
Kristiensen, when we went down
Soumare, when we went down
Coady, now (rumoured for Rangers, but all gone quiet)
Faes, when we went down and again now
I think Thomas wanted to move on as well at a certain point.

Apart from cannon I can't think of the last 'mid level' player we managed to sell.
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We agreed to sell Vestergaard on two occasions.
BOTH times he refused to leave (so that's not the boards fault)
Soutter went out on loan to encourage a bid (never materialised)
Kristiensen (See Soutter)
Soumare, Much like Daka we bought a dud and no-one else is stupid enough to buy them now.
Coady maybe we are still negotiating with Rangers.
Faes (see Soumare)
Thomas is a academy player, which adds value, probably too high a price for a kid.
 
Selling has rarely been an issue in and of itself, that we have trouble in that regard is merely a consequence of where the problem really lies. I.e. It's the buying; the fees paid for (at best) average players & the contracts given to them that's been the problem.

As for Iversen, I don't know what the details of any potential deals or even if they were loan or permanent. Both he & Ward could have tried to extricate themselves from their contracts with mutual agreements (maybe Iversen did, maybe that was one of the options to which he refers) but, given our situation, at significant cost to themselves (Rob Page when manager of Wales heavily implied that Ward had no intention of doing such a thing or even taking a drop in salary to move, did Iversen? No idea). Do I blame them for not doing that? Of course not. I don't respect them for it if they were that unhappy at not playing & didn't try but no blame. Iversen's position would I assume have been harder, smaller salary and I think they would have been hopeful of getting a fee though they also scuppered that by effectively making him fourth choice.

Adumass said:
I get the PSR and amortisation arguments, but other clubs seem to navigate this.
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But I would wager that few other clubs had such an imbalance between saleable playing assets & those not wanted by others (at a price or salary that would be needed to make such a move possible) that we have had for the last few years whilst dealing with the PSR issues. This was why they were desperate to get Tielemans to extend. It had nothing to do with wanting to tie him to the club and everything to do with trying to get a fee (by which point it would have been almost all profit) and he was one of the few that they knew they could sell. For sure no other club seems to have fans who are more desperate for contracts to come to an end than we are knowing that we can't otherwise move players on.
 
Adumass said:
He has a point though.

We got relegated and bought Mads, giving us four keepers. That's too many for a championship squad.

He wanted to leave...so far so sensible...except rudkin/the club put such a high price on his head that we end up not selling him. And have PSR issues. Makes no sense to me, especially as he came through the ranks so would have been pure profit.

Instead we lose him on a free after paying him 2 more years of wages.
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Rudkin did the same with Preat, could have sold him Rudkin wanted more, so we finished up paying his wages for 12 months to be a bench warmer, no wonder we're in the shit with such shrewd management
 
DagenhamFox said:
I think we all agree we wouldn’t have gone down last time had he played all season. We could all see that yet Rodgers kept playing Ward.

Things might have turned out very differently for Iversen had he been given that chance earlier in the season.
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I’ll hold my Hands up dag🦊 I was wanting br to dump ward and try iverson after first game of 22 23 season as felt ward to be dodgy when he had played before kasper left , but when he/iverson did get in team I wasn’t overly impressed and felt he’s not going to be our gk in enzos year… BUT as it was so close in 23 YES I think we would have JUST survived , but I can see both melton and courts points tbf …It’s the clip posted by Thorney that got me thinking what I posted. We really needed to buy when the legend kasper left in the same way Keller was replaced by flowers even wallington for shilts went well and pre my time shilts for banks . Maybe that was another reason for top and br stand off .
 
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buz_not_buzz said:
Selling has rarely been an issue in and of itself, that we have trouble in that regard is merely a consequence of where the problem really lies. I.e. It's the buying; the fees paid for (at best) average players & the contracts given to them that's been the problem.

As for Iversen, I don't know what the details of any potential deals or even if they were loan or permanent. Both he & Ward could have tried to extricate themselves from their contracts with mutual agreements (maybe Iversen did, maybe that was one of the options to which he refers) but, given our situation, at significant cost to themselves (Rob Page when manager of Wales heavily implied that Ward had no intention of doing such a thing or even taking a drop in salary to move, did Iversen? No idea). Do I blame them for not doing that? Of course not. I don't respect them for it if they were that unhappy at not playing & didn't try but no blame. Iversen's position would I assume have been harder, smaller salary and I think they would have been hopeful of getting a fee though they also scuppered that by effectively making him fourth choice.


But I would wager that few other clubs had such an imbalance between saleable playing assets & those not wanted by others (at a price or salary that would be needed to make such a move possible) that we have had for the last few years whilst dealing with the PSR issues. This was why they were desperate to get Tielemans to extend. It had nothing to do with wanting to tie him to the club and everything to do with trying to get a fee (by which point it would have been almost all profit) and he was one of the few that they knew they could sell. For sure no other club seems to have fans who are more desperate for contracts to come to an end than we are knowing that we can't otherwise move players on.
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It's the wage structure that has always got me especially for players past their best and those who you see as not worth their salt who the hell scouts these players looks into their backgrounds their attitudes to playing
Okay it's a dicey business as to whether they fit a profile or even fit into a managers way of playing the game but fuck me we have recently signed some dead ducks not even worth a trial never mind a signing
 
kendalfox said:
It's the wage structure that has always got me especially for players past their best and those who you see as not worth their salt who the hell scouts these players looks into their backgrounds their attitudes to playing
Okay it's a dicey business as to whether they fit a profile or even fit into a managers way of playing the game but fuck me we have recently signed some dead ducks not even worth a trial never mind a signing
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And then in some cases we’ve extended their contracts🤷‍♂️
 
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