Leave.

Are we still arguing about this?
we had a vote, we voted to leave, and it's been up to the Tories to deliver it.
They've have been obfuscating for 4 years on a deal because, shock horror it's actually quite difficult, and here we are trying to rush something through like a 15 year old doing his homework at the last minute.
No way to run a country.
Oven ready bollox, these people couldn;t organise a piss up in a brewery givena brewey, beer and "piss ups in breweries 101".

Wasn't. the ' oven ready deal ' to do with the withdrawal agreement and not the ' trade deal ' ?
 
I've never been in favour of reversing the original decision, that's undemocratic.
If there had been a second vote that had a different outcome that's another kettle of fish.
Brexit will be good for me personally as I'll save thousands when i buy a house over there.
Some of us don't just think about ourselves though.
Rees Mogg said something alone those lines in 2016 (i.e. that we have a second national vote on the type of deal with).

Of course, that was conveniently forgotten about soon enough...
 
What I can't stand is working class people who vote tory because they think it makes them a cut above equally those that have come into money and look down their noses at ordinary people.
 
I've never been in favour of reversing the original decision, that's undemocratic.
If there had been a second vote that had a different outcome that's another kettle of fish.
Brexit will be good for me personally as I'll save thousands when i buy a house over there.
Some of us don't just think about ourselves though.
The original decision was undemocratic as not it every one voted who was entitled to.
 
If you ignore the 'jargon' that sounds about right.

The US system is fundamentally different though as it is, supposedly, a Constitutional Republic with consequent controls and limits on the party in power. Rather like the idea personally, though it all fell apart some 50-60 years ago when the US fell under control of the swamp (MIC).

In the UK we have, in effect, an elected dictatorship, even more so as politics becomes a business and few MPs now have any sense of decency, let alone any desire for actual public service. I am sure that has been the case for some time but it has become more apparent in recent years, well to me anyway.
If you struggle with that language it must be a real trial reading all those tomes about cultural marxism, intersectionality and the like ;-).
 
If you struggle with that language it must be a real trial reading all those tomes about cultural marxism, intersectionality and the like ;-).
It is, but someone has to do it in order to explain how the western world is being thoroughly fucked up by globalists.

Anyway, good practice for trying to make sense of the EU trade deal.

Being spun as a very decent result for the uk but as ever the devil will be in the detail.

I remain deeply sceptical.
 
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