Men cannot be women - Official!!

Gnasher65 said:
Regi's work notwtihstanding (i'll leave to him to expound more if he so wishes) here's a true story.
I have a friend who had a child, they were female at birth.
Let's call them Zak because that's their chosen name and it's better to put a name on somebody so they're not a nebulous statistic.
When they hit puberty they starting to feel like they were the wrong sex.
The family provided all the support they could, including psychotherapy.
The therapist recommended physical transition from girl to boy. The family did everything they could to make it possible but were blocked at every turn.
Zak committed suicide on his 16th birthday, leaving a note that said he felt so alone that people couldn't accept him for who he really was.
If you can explain to me why not letting them transition was a good thing or how allowing that transition might affect society in a negative way i'd love to hear it.
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Because, rather than trying to understand (showing empathy), it's easier to hate and brush it off as mental illness.
 
Gnasher65 said:
another alt login chump.
Luckily mental illness is not defined by 'most people' it's defined by medical professionals.
What next, 'most people' think you can get pregnant from touching a toilet seat so it must be true?
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What is it then?

What is an alt login chump?

Do trans people already have rights protected under law? Why do they need more?

Why should women in general be made to feel uncomfortable so men pretending to be women can go into their personal space?

Do you think it is right that we have fallen so far as a society that a £5 certificate bought online is enough to make a man a woman?
 
Empathy v mental illness? I don't know ClubBook, this is all probably just a game for you. You won't be surprised if I disagree with you.

Gnasher. We all know how painful and confusing growing up can be. There's never one-fits-all solution to any of this and we'll always have individual cases that turn out to be a disaster, but I'll stand by my experience...

The majority of 'trans' kids I've met are confused, depressed, on meds, angry and totally lost.
(All I can do is talk, be kind, make them laugh and hug them.) They say it helps, but then I walk away and they're still stuck with it alone.
They also tend to have been influenced by English-speaking, online media, all of which fuels their desires, but none of which helps them find balance, happiness or a way forward in life.
It looks like they're often living with a 'happy end' 'fairy tale' vision of the future: if I can just be a boy, everything in life will be solved. It isn't solved though. In fact, I think it gets even harder for many of them.

I think, our culture has sold them a lie.
I also think the adults who have encouraged this situation are responsible for child abuse.

I'm really sorry to hear about Zak. And yes, it could be that Zak was absolutely right about everything. Perhaps that was all he needed.

I wonder though, what would have happened to Zak if the culture hadn't offered him the lie that he could genuinely change sex?
What would have happened if medical science hadn't been able to offer him the solution of 'transitioning'?
Without those 2 options, what would the therapist have recommended then?
Isn't it possible that Zak might have had a different solution with a different outcome?

I don't think many of us would like to give our 16-year-old self, the power and ability to change who we are physically for the rest of our lives.
 
RegiRoka said:
Ridiculous.
I work with a lot of these victims of this brainwashing. Lost, depressed, suicidal, angry, medicated to their eyeballs, hating others, blaming others...
I'm not sure how they are going out of the mess they've got themselves into, but it's taken me two years with one to keep him/her to be at least still with us.

To my mind, a lot of what's been pushed onto them is child abuse.
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But enough about Clutchbook, what about the blokes in dresses..
 
I think the earth is flat. That's not a mental illness, that's just my opinion.

It would be a mental illness if I thought the world was flat, and expected everyone that I spoke to to agree with me, because if they didn't they would hurt my feelings and make me sad and stuff..
 
Like @Popside I don’t really understand it, I’m a pretty simple man, but I know it’s genuinely a thing and these young people need support. I take my hat off to you @RegiRoka I’m sure the work you do makes a difference.

What I do know is at such a young age you don’t really know your body. You don’t really know what you want in life. I’d argue most don’t know that till you’re in your mid 20’s.

Things like gender surgery in my opinion definitely shouldn’t be allowed until this kind of age.
 
RegiRoka said:
I wonder though, what would have happened to Zak if the culture hadn't offered him the lie that he could genuinely change sex?
What would have happened if medical science hadn't been able to offer him the solution of 'transitioning'?
Without those 2 options, what would the therapist have recommended then?
Isn't it possible that Zak might have had a different solution with a different outcome?

I don't think many of us would like to give our 16-year-old self, the power and ability to change who we are physically for the rest of our lives.
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Thanks for sharing your insight - the para above nails it

Surgery & Puberty Blockers should not ever be the solution

I would recommend watching this interview with Dr Az Hakeem if you have not seen it already

 
DagenhamFox said:
Like @Popside I don’t really understand it, I’m a pretty simple man, but I know it’s genuinely a thing and these young people need support. I take my hat off to you @RegiRoka I’m sure the work you do makes a difference.

What I do know is at such a young age you don’t really know your body. You don’t really know what you want in life. I’d argue most don’t know that till you’re in your mid 20’s.

Things like gender surgery in my opinion definitely shouldn’t be allowed until this kind of age.
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Good point , and well made 👍 I just want and wish life could be made simple though I know from experience it never is or has been , excuse my ignorance ,no offence to anyone was meant . 🤝
 
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astleyfox said:
That game where they wear skates, one woman pushes a Henry Hoover along the ice, while two more sweep the ice, to get the thick of it up first.
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That's no different than darts, it's just an excuse to get loaded while you're 'competing'.

Frikken hard though.
 
Popside said:
Good point , and well made 👍 I just want and wish life could be made simple though I know from experience it never is or has been , excuse my ignorance ,no offence to anyone was meant . 🤝
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Life is hard. I’m sure everyone who posts on here will agree. Like everything it has its good and bad moments, and times where it’s easier than others.

Just when you think you’ve cracked it something else comes up to slap you in the face.

Again when you’re a teenager or in your early 20’s, you’re still a bit shielded from it.
 
astleyfox said:
That game where they wear skates, one woman pushes a Henry Hoover along the ice, while two more sweep the ice, to get the thick of it up first.
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It's a knockout weren't it? With Stuart Hall pissing himself throughout the proceedings
 
At yesterdays game (Coalville) one of the assistant referees used to be Ian but is now Isabel. All rather odd but did a decent job.
 
FoxInEssex said:
Why should women in general be made to feel uncomfortable so men pretending to be women can go into their personal space?
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Not quite the gotcha you think it is.

What this now means is that those women who have transitioned and now live as a man will be using the women's spaces. Now the dirty pervs that dressed as a woman and claimed to be trans (a tiny minority of a tiny minority), won't need to bother with the dress and wig. They can just go where they like and say they are biologically a woman.

It will probably make you happy to hear that the men who transitioned to women will now have to use male spaces, meaning risk of being beaten up by some lovely open minded person.

This also opens the door to wrong-uns in the police force like Wayne Couzens to get a free grope, as men identifying as women have to be searched by a male officer. The officer only needs to say he suspects they are trans.

RegiRoka said:
don't think many of us would like to give our 16-year-old self, the power and ability to change who we are physically for the rest of our lives.
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I agree with some of what you're saying. It's gone too far and too young. Go back to only adults being allowed the surgery, after counselling and living as the opposite gender. Start on the drugs before allowing surgery.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Not quite the gotcha you think it is.

What this now means is that those women who have transitioned and now live as a man will be using the women's spaces. Now the dirty pervs that dressed as a woman and claimed to be trans (a tiny minority of a tiny minority), won't need to bother with the dress and wig. They can just go where they like and say they are biologically a woman.

It will probably make you happy to hear that the men who transitioned to women will now have to use male spaces, meaning risk of being beaten up by some lovely open minded person.

This also opens the door to wrong-uns in the police force like Wayne Couzens to get a free grope, as men identifying as women have to be searched by a male officer. The officer only needs to say he suspects they are trans.


I agree with some of what you're saying. It's gone too far and too young. Go back to only adults being allowed the surgery, after counselling and living as the opposite gender. Start on the drugs before allowing surgery.
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You don't half talk some utter bollocks. It has taken days for you to come up with that. Fucking warped view on life.

Why is it so hard to admit that the ruling is a good thing?
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Not quite the gotcha you think it is.

What this now means is that those women who have transitioned and now live as a man will be using the women's spaces. Now the dirty pervs that dressed as a woman and claimed to be trans (a tiny minority of a tiny minority), won't need to bother with the dress and wig. They can just go where they like and say they are biologically a woman.

It will probably make you happy to hear that the men who transitioned to women will now have to use male spaces, meaning risk of being beaten up by some lovely open minded person.

This also opens the door to wrong-uns in the police force like Wayne Couzens to get a free grope, as men identifying as women have to be searched by a male officer. The officer only needs to say he suspects they are trans.


I agree with some of what you're saying. It's gone too far and too young. Go back to only adults being allowed the surgery, after counselling and living as the opposite gender. Start on the drugs before allowing surgery.
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I reckon a lot of ladies are gonna be pleasantly surprised if they find themselves sharing their single sex spaces with the likes of Ben Melzer lol
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Not quite the gotcha you think it is.

What this now means is that those women who have transitioned and now live as a man will be using the women's spaces. Now the dirty pervs that dressed as a woman and claimed to be trans (a tiny minority of a tiny minority), won't need to bother with the dress and wig. They can just go where they like and say they are biologically a woman.

It will probably make you happy to hear that the men who transitioned to women will now have to use male spaces, meaning risk of being beaten up by some lovely open minded person.

This also opens the door to wrong-uns in the police force like Wayne Couzens to get a free grope, as men identifying as women have to be searched by a male officer. The officer only needs to say he suspects they are trans.


I agree with some of what you're saying. It's gone too far and too young. Go back to only adults being allowed the surgery, after counselling and living as the opposite gender. Start on the drugs before allowing surgery.
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If “transitioning” requires expensive drugs and hightech modern surgery, then it is not natural, ie, has no part in nature. Therefore, the claim that “transgender” has been “a thing” throughout human history, falls flat on its face. Why has the sham only exploded in recent years? During the previos decades and eras of my time, it was unheard of. A few strange blokes, transVESTITES, dressed up and screeched in the streets of London and Brighton, and few gave a toss. Now its gone too far, and the rest of us are being told to deny factsthat are staring us in the face.
 
FoxInEssex said:
You don't half talk some utter bollocks. It has taken days for you to come up with that. Fucking warped view on life.

Why is it so hard to admit that the ruling is a good thing?
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Yeah, sorry for spending time over the Easter break with friends and family.

astleyfox said:
If “transitioning” requires expensive drugs and hightech modern surgery, then it is not natural, ie, has no part in nature. Therefore, the claim that “transgender” has been “a thing” throughout human history, falls flat on its face. Why has the sham only exploded in recent years? During the previos decades and eras of my time, it was unheard of. A few strange blokes, transVESTITES, dressed up and screeched in the streets of London and Brighton, and few gave a toss. Now its gone too far, and the rest of us are being told to deny factsthat are staring us in the face.
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Yeah, it's a good job cancer treatment is free.
 
The India character and many others have completely failed to understand what the Supreme Court judgement meant.
The Equality Act already protects "trans" people...
The judgement merely stated that the protection women are entitled to, does extend to people who are not biological women.
You can't be protected as trans and as a woman, because this is literally impossible...
India can still pretend he is a woman and dress up and all that, but he isn't a biological woman. Can't ever be. It's really that simple.
 
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