These rules don't stop anyone drinking, or even drinking excessively. It's about taking charge of a dangerous weapon when you are not in complete control of your faculties. No pubs need to go out of business if people walk to them/cycle to them/get a friend to pick up and drop off etc...
New rules when driving in the UK.
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Smoking is bad for those who smoke AND those who don't. If we can smoke in pubs we should be allowed to take drugs in pubs and smack Forest fans in pubs.
What?
They are making efforts (supposedly) to make car less dangerous. A return to better public transport within car free areas could be an idea though. Thanks Everton.
Yes, there's so much research into driving and road deaths that I'm surprised you even asked.
That's another good idea. These new laws concerning fizzy drinks and snacks don't go far enough.
Everton Carr
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Studies show
.Yep it's a guarantee if you smoke and get Lung cancer it's 100% certain that fags have caused it.Funny my uncle died at 64 from lung cancer and never smoked in his life.These studios are about as believable as those saying the covid jab saved millions of lives.Everton Carr
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Ha ha im.talking about those who have had 2 Pints
And those killed killed in drink drive accidents didn't drink or drive (or live for very long).Studies show
Everton Carr
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You really would love China there social credit score would suit you down to the ground.Let the Government control.every aspect of your life mind you we are getting close to that in the UK.Bet you loved the Plandemic government dictating you weren't allowed to visit Family or friends only allowed out once a day to exercise wear a mask at all times and always remember to socially distance.You must miss those glory days but I'm sure they will return in the next few years.
Everton Carr
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Smoking is bad for those who dont
.You do know Smoking is legal drugs are not.Like I said im a non smoker but people should be allowed to do what they want within reason.People sadly die from cancer everyday regardless if they smoke or not and plenty of heavy smokers live to a ripe old age.June Brown smoked 40 s day starting when she was 15 how old was she when she died Donald Sinden another one.Ruth Strauss wife of Andrew Strauss died from lung cancer in her late 30s she was a non smoker.
hackneyfox
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I might take Everon off ignore, he's more amusing than Terry & June.
I live in France.
You like straw men.Smoking is bad for those who dont
and Father brown's boys (or whatever that other programme quoted was).
Lung cancer isn’t just resultant from smoking.Smoking is bad for those who dont
And well done for picking out a couple of anomalies.
Going on your logic, reintroduce smoking at pubs & you’ll find them shutting down at an even faster rate.
Everton Carr
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Funny how pubs were always packed before the ban.Ask your landlord if business increased when the ban happened.And I don't know about you but I see elderly people with a day in hand most days.Bernard Cribbins George Cole Leslie Phillips 3 more heavy smokers who all made it into there 90s all heavy smokers.Let me know if you want some more.
even a pint can effect reactions in some I’m thinking that was proven years ago , tbf to you some don’t care about others anyway even on a tizer when they get behind wheel it’s all about them …. But it just gives them vin deizel wannabes a second more to react and let someone live and their family members not left heartbroken.On 2 pints
Everton Carr
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But you had no problem with the Government mandating jabs that's killed millions.Friend of mine Lucy Taberer 47 years old 2 young children took the shot it killed her.Her husband got 120K compensation that's what they reckon her life was worth.And you still haven't shown any evidence that a single pint can affect reactions.Would sooner be in a car driven by a guy who's had 2 pints then an 85 year old who hasn't touched a drop that's for sure.
Sorry to read of your friend …yes I had jabs for Covid as it was my choice and I should have been clearer regarding other’s choices tbh can’t remember what I put but did feel at time it was going to help us move forward and didn’t mean to be outspoken if I was …I also just THOUGHT they did a test of reaction times years ago, I have been crippled by a out of control van driver and hold no malice as he just made a split second decision no booze involved apparently and under 85 late 30 something if memory serves..hay ho but I know we both will never be same again…. physically and mentally so I know what crashes involve. Again sorry about your friend Lucy genuinely sad reading that and in future food for thought for me & each to own regarding jabs and vaccines.
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I’m not a medical expert but I’m sure one can tell you any vaccine could have a side effect on a proportion of those taking them.
But you really need to stop with the sweeping & flippant statements - the Covid vaccine really hasn’t “killed millions”.
DagenhamFox
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I did vote for him once in the London mayoral elections.
DagenhamFox
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Most fizzy drinks now have much less sugar than they once had.
I’ve even seen low sugar cakes on the market recently.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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You're all over the place with your arguments here. Being able to point to a few people who smoked a lot and lived to old age doesn't mean it's OK for everyone. This argument was done to death 50 years ago and wrong then.
The problem with thinking it's OK to have 2 pints and drive is part of the problem. Alcohol is different strengths. Most lagers are stronger than they used to be so 1 pint is no longer 2 units. A unit of alcohol has different effects on different people, depending on things like weight, age, sex, how often they drink, when they last ate etc. People try to calculate how many they think is OK but most would probably be over the legal limit if tested after 2 pints.
Is that what they call them now?
Pen4
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So basically it is a policy looking to fix an imaginary problem. Its always the Left who think that they know best and want to control peoples lives. Pious and sanctimonious as always:
The most recent official statistics from the **UK Department for Transport (DfT)** cover reported road casualties in **Great Britain** (England, Scotland, and Wales; Northern Ireland has separate reporting) involving at least one driver or rider over the legal alcohol limit (commonly referred to as drink-drive or alcohol-related collisions where alcohol is a contributory factor).
For **2023** (the latest full-year data available as of mid-2025 releases):
- The central estimate is **260** fatalities (deaths) in such collisions.
- This comes with a 95% confidence range of **230 to 290** deaths.
- This represents a **14% decline** from the 2022 central estimate of 300 deaths.
- These figures are estimates derived from breath test data combined with coroners' reports on deceased drivers/riders (covering a high percentage of cases for accuracy).
These numbers reflect collisions where **alcohol was above the legal limit** for at least one driver/rider, and it's a key measure of alcohol as a factor in road deaths. Note that:
- Alcohol may be a factor in some additional cases below the limit or where testing wasn't possible, but official stats focus on illegal levels.
- Drink-drive fatalities accounted for around **16%** of all road deaths in Great Britain in 2023 (down from 18% in 2022).
- For context, total road deaths in Great Britain are typically around 1,600–1,800 annually in recent years.
This data is published in the DfT's annual "Reported road casualties in Great Britain involving illegal alcohol levels" release (last updated for 2023 in September 2025). Earlier years showed fluctuations, e.g., a peak central estimate of 300 in 2022 (highest since 2009), but the downward trend resumed in 2023.
For the very latest provisional updates or 2024/2025 figures (if released post-March 2026), check the official GOV.UK site directly, as statistics are updated periodically. Northern Ireland data is reported separately by the Department for Infrastructure and tends to involve far smaller numbers (often in the low tens for fatalities annually).
The most recent official statistics from the **UK Department for Transport (DfT)** cover reported road casualties in **Great Britain** (England, Scotland, and Wales; Northern Ireland has separate reporting) involving at least one driver or rider over the legal alcohol limit (commonly referred to as drink-drive or alcohol-related collisions where alcohol is a contributory factor).
For **2023** (the latest full-year data available as of mid-2025 releases):
- The central estimate is **260** fatalities (deaths) in such collisions.
- This comes with a 95% confidence range of **230 to 290** deaths.
- This represents a **14% decline** from the 2022 central estimate of 300 deaths.
- These figures are estimates derived from breath test data combined with coroners' reports on deceased drivers/riders (covering a high percentage of cases for accuracy).
These numbers reflect collisions where **alcohol was above the legal limit** for at least one driver/rider, and it's a key measure of alcohol as a factor in road deaths. Note that:
- Alcohol may be a factor in some additional cases below the limit or where testing wasn't possible, but official stats focus on illegal levels.
- Drink-drive fatalities accounted for around **16%** of all road deaths in Great Britain in 2023 (down from 18% in 2022).
- For context, total road deaths in Great Britain are typically around 1,600–1,800 annually in recent years.
This data is published in the DfT's annual "Reported road casualties in Great Britain involving illegal alcohol levels" release (last updated for 2023 in September 2025). Earlier years showed fluctuations, e.g., a peak central estimate of 300 in 2022 (highest since 2009), but the downward trend resumed in 2023.
For the very latest provisional updates or 2024/2025 figures (if released post-March 2026), check the official GOV.UK site directly, as statistics are updated periodically. Northern Ireland data is reported separately by the Department for Infrastructure and tends to involve far smaller numbers (often in the low tens for fatalities annually).
Everton Carr
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I never said it is OK for everyone to smoke it can cause cancer which is why I've never smoked myself.However I believe people should be allowed to smoke in pubs if they so wish.It damaged the industry massively as will this new rule. which basically stops people having 1 pint. The rules were fine as they were. Good luck finding a landlord who agrees with these changes
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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It's OK lads, 'only' 260 people died due to drink driving, carry on with impunity. If it didn't effect me or my family who cares eh?
Everton Carr
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Yep like I said before let's ban pubs and cars let's cut out the problem completely.
Everton Carr
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Amazing that's the logic you lefties use when we talk about deaths from the covid jab. Who cares about Lisa Shaw Jack Last Dr Stephen Wright Lucy Taberer etc I'm ok
You were the one that said “millions”.