Obama authorising Drone attacks

That he knew would kill innocent men women and children just to show he was "tough"
Killery Hinton flicking her bean going "ooo your 'ard"
Any wonder Trump got elected after these sociopaths
 
But drone attacks by the US have increased under Trump , so using the same logic its no wonder Biden got elected
Do you fuckwits actually read before replying?
The only reason Obama sent drones out was to look tough.
Not questioning the use of drones but the reason behind the use of drones.
 
Do you fuckwits actually read before replying?
The only reason Obama sent drones out was to look tough.
Not questioning the use of drones but the reason behind the use of drones.
OK, you missed my point so sorry I'll try to be clearer in future.

But you referenced Trump and my point was, it's ironic because trump has killed more civilians than Obama and increased attacks.

Trump has also reduced transparency.

In March 2018, Trump revoked an Obama executive order requiring an annual disclosure of civilian deaths resulting from drone strikes. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism also reported that the number of drone strikes ratcheted up during Trump’s first year in office, doubling in Somalia and tripling in Yemen.

Prehaps you could share where you came across your allegations, I'd be interested in reading more.
 
Have you read it?

Can you put his quote or link, I'd be interested to see what he actually said

Thanks
 
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OK, you missed my point so sorry I'll try to be clearer in future.

But you referenced Trump and my point was, it's ironic because trump has killed more civilians than Obama and increased attacks.

Trump has also reduced transparency.

In March 2018, Trump revoked an Obama executive order requiring an annual disclosure of civilian deaths resulting from drone strikes. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism also reported that the number of drone strikes ratcheted up during Trump’s first year in office, doubling in Somalia and tripling in Yemen.

Prehaps you could share where you came across your allegations, I'd be interested in reading more.
I don't doubt it. Like I've said many times I'm no Trump fan. I'm not a Yank fan in general, think they're all mad as a box of frogs.
But using drone attacks to make you look tough on terrorism while being transparent to the fact that something like 80% (I could be wrong but it was a massive high number) of the deaths were the wrong targets is a bit shit don't you think?
The issue I have with the leftys on here is no matter what they cannot accept that Trump isn't all bad and Obama / BIden isn't all good.
(I won't include Killery Hinton as most agree she deserved the electric chair)
I guess I'm old school left. Refusing to cross picket lines and financially supporting striking miners and not giving a flying one about your race colour creed or gender, I'll stand beside you whatever. Rather that the take a knee, special rights for transgender (I don't really know what they are and I don't wish to know as long as they're treated equal) ban nasty words like faggot in a song about two folk arguing where the song is about slinging nasty words at each other new wave leftys.
Or maybe I'm bitter and twisted over spending years fighting Thatchers policies, being arrested for contempt of court, donating to proper and just causes to hand the baton over to the new young lions only for them to fuck it up!
 
Outwardly the yanks do seem bonkers, the truth is the vast majority just get on with their life's much the same as us.

I've worked with quite a few over recent years and most I've meet genuinely dispare at the circus that is US politics.

Anyone that has any sense can see that Dem = good / Rep = bad or vice vercer narrative is for the die hard loons to lap up, and energise them.

I'm genuinely interested in politics and the games that are played and quite enjoy digging deeper, but I get frustrated with the amount of frankly BS that gets bandied about as fact, its probably put out there to obscure.

I grew up going on CND Marches with my mum so I definitely had a left of centre upbringing, although I find the current crop of politicians underwhelming at best and probably criminal at worst.

Just go end,

The quote from Obamas book says : as a Liberal president i couldn't afford to look soft on terrorism.

Its a little different to your interpretation.
 
Outwardly the yanks do seem bonkers, the truth is the vast majority just get on with their life's much the same as us.

I've worked with quite a few over recent years and most I've meet genuinely dispare at the circus that is US politics.

Anyone that has any sense can see that Dem = good / Rep = bad or vice vercer narrative is for the die hard loons to lap up, and energise them.

I'm genuinely interested in politics and the games that are played and quite enjoy digging deeper, but I get frustrated with the amount of frankly BS that gets bandied about as fact, its probably put out there to obscure.

I grew up going on CND Marches with my mum so I definitely had a left of centre upbringing, although I find the current crop of politicians underwhelming at best and probably criminal at worst.

Just go end,

The quote from Obamas book says : as a Liberal president i couldn't afford to look soft on terrorism.

Its a little different to your interpretation.
The point I'm making is he's openly saying the motivation for his sanctioning of drone attacks was how he would be interpreted by the right and accepting that in doing so innocent people were killed.
Surely that's not right.
 
We can agree that the use of drones is plain wrong, we've been told for years that these precsion strikes made things better, this is plainly BS for the readers of the mail and sun et el.

Like it or not the US has chosen a crusade against Al quida, and you seem to be suggesting that Obama only continued this approach to look tough, I'm not sure I agree with that emphasis on one line.

My frustration is that focusing on Obama when the current administration has reduced transparency while killing more civilians seems misplaced.
 
We can agree that the use of drones is plain wrong, we've been told for years that these precsion strikes made things better, this is plainly BS for the readers of the mail and sun et el.

Like it or not the US has chosen a crusade against Al quida, and you seem to be suggesting that Obama only continued this approach to look tough, I'm not sure I agree with that emphasis on one line.

My frustration is that focusing on Obama when the current administration has reduced transparency while killing more civilians seems misplaced.
Not saying it was his only reason but it was one of them. So much so he's openly admitted it in his autobiography. Fair play to him for his honesty but Jesus!
Maybe they're all sociopaths and us normal people will never understand how their brain works.
 
I think some people do get into politics to help others, and some to help themselves, on balance my view is Obama was the former.

But once your top of the tree I think you're then just a cog in tge machine.
 
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