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ClaphamFox said:
Nobody is going to be ‘vindicated’ in their view of RvN until he’s actually managed us for a few games at least. I completely get why people are sceptical - I’m still a little sceptical myself. I just don’t get this stone cold certainty among some people that RvN is going to fail spectacularly. I mean, how do you know? Is it not worth at least giving him a chance? I seem to recall some people being very cynical when Maresca was appointed and that didn’t work out too badly.
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Steve Cooper wasn't accepted from day one.
Did you criticise that ?
It's the wrong appointment for us imo.
 
DagenhamFox said:
I don’t know anything Clapham but I couldn’t be more under whelmed at this appointment. What does he know about being involved in a team of misfits who are struggling big time to perform at the wrong end of the table, let alone managing them?

I really hope I’m wrong. We only need to finish 17th this season and part of this will be shrewd signings in January.
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Spot on for me Daggers.
People mocked Cooper but at least he had dealt with managing a club with similar circumstances to us. I wasn't overwhelmed with Coopers appointment and I expected it not to be a longer term answer, but at least I could see a bit of logic in taking him on.
RVN has no connection with our plight, he's spent his career at the top end of football, he's played with great players and under great managers.
This is a different world to the one he's familiar with.
 
I may be wrong but l do believe that we should sound our Michael Carrick just on the basis that he has been a reasonable manager with experience of the types of players we have at this moment in time.
We need a team ethic we need experience.
The Lad has been reasonably successful and
Ambitious to get to the top.
 
Brauny said:
Spot on for me Daggers.
People mocked Cooper but at least he had dealt with managing a club with similar circumstances to us. I wasn't overwhelmed with Coopers appointment and I expected it not to be a longer term answer, but at least I could see a bit of logic in taking him on.
RVN has no connection with our plight, he's spent his career at the top end of football, he's played with great players and under great managers.
This is a different world to the one he's familiar with.
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There is a great story in The Mixer by Michael Cox about PL tactics over the years. For RVN put simply he was a goal machine and nothing else. He had no interest in adapting to tactics etc. he just wanted to score goals and as many as possible. Sir Alex got really frustrated with him and eventually binned him off.

I’d like to give him a chance but if his own playing career involved ‘putting the goal in the net as many times as I can’ regardless of circumstances or game situation then it doesn’t bode well for his own understanding of how to manage a team and all the variations and nuances within that
 
One thing I've learnt - manager success is often the flip of a coin.

I've been underwhelmed by an appointment many times and it's turned out well. I've been excited many times and it's turned out shit. So I'll back RVN even though his record doesn't inspire me too much. He could turn out to perfect for us.

Having said that...
I agree with pen4 (first time for anything): 4 weeks ago RVN wouldn't have been on anyone's radar. In that respect it is a knee jerk replacement based on a caretaker bounce (2 of his 3 wins against us is no benchmark).

I agree with Shane...a well run club wouldn't limit themselves to considering a handful of 'names' , and would actually already have a wider list of potential candidates from across the world. Think Brighton appointing a 31 yr old, or Bournemouths choice last year. Guys that would NEVER have been mentioned , yet appear to be doing a very good job. We are so far off that level of planning it's embarrassing. Absolute proof that one of the key lessons from Rogers sacking was not learned. Would love to know if adequate succession planning was identified in the infamous end of season review that Susan and rudkin had.
 
RvN was on the radar in the summer - further down the list but mentioned nonetheless. Perhaps he, like other potential managers, have been on our list for some time but other circumstances around the club such as potential points reductions put candidates off. Maresca was not on people's list yet the club took a chance on someone who had a limited and poor managerial record and he was a success even if the style proved frustrating at times (I thought the same on Saturday when Chelsea seem to play with handbrake on, thankfully!)

One thing for certain is RvN wants to manage Man United so he needs to make a success of his time with us. Let's get behind him and see what happens. Up the City.
 
Chad Backstick said:
There is a great story in The Mixer by Michael Cox about PL tactics over the years. For RVN put simply he was a goal machine and nothing else. He had no interest in adapting to tactics etc. he just wanted to score goals and as many as possible. Sir Alex got really frustrated with him and eventually binned him off.

I’d like to give him a chance but if his own playing career involved ‘putting the goal in the net as many times as I can’ regardless of circumstances or game situation then it doesn’t bode well for his own understanding of how to manage a team and all the variations and nuances within that
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Maybe the decade he's spent working as a coach, including a successful year as a manager, has helped him to move on from the mindset of being just a striker and helped him to understand those 'variations and nuances'?
 
ClaphamFox said:
Maybe the decade he's spent working as a coach, including a successful year as a manager, has helped him to move on from the mindset of being just a striker and helped him to understand those 'variations and nuances'?
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I don’t disagree with that scenario at all. He must have done something to move his mindset on to get the jobs he has had.
It is just a sense of unease about it all given you would hope a top level player at least had some tactical awareness about him.

Nonetheless I do think we can give him benefit of the doubt….at least until the 5th minute on Saturday when faes misplaces his first pass
 
I share the feeling of being underwhelmed and (at least slightly) sceptic.

The whole process seems a bit haphazard, including the seemingly rushed sacking of Cooper.

That said, I am of course prepared to give him a chance. He's got a lot on his plate with an unhappy and unbalanced squad that now has to contend with and adapt to the third style of management and, of course, football in six months. I hope he brings in good people, too. There is a chance we can survive as there are other weak teams as well, but it's going to be close.

There is an air of things going majorly pear-shaped at the club again, and that lessons have neither been learned nor acted upon. I hope I'm wrong because I'm too far away, and it is possible I'm too pessimistic.

A lot will also depend on whether we can bring in somebody decent in January. I'm not sure how much is left from our once brilliant scouting system. Not much after all the chopping and changing, apparently.
 
I an underwhelmed but just hope this is successful l have my doubts, on the basis of our league is like no other and we are struggling with what we have, it's tough it's uncompromising even for seasoned managers,
I just hope it's not a name signing, but good luck to him he will need it.
 
It's a gamble like any appointment. They've gone for a 'name' presumably in the hope that he can galvanise the players here and also attract others to want to be here. A very big gamble in my view. It could unravel very quickly let's hope that it doesn't.
As I've said before my choice would have been Robins, not because he's a former player but because he has done the hard yards, people quickly forget the way he transformed Cov. He is not a 'name' or even well known outside of English football. What he is is a damn fine manager.
 
Adumass said:
One thing I've learnt - manager success is often the flip of a coin.

I've been underwhelmed by an appointment many times and it's turned out well. I've been excited many times and it's turned out shit. So I'll back RVN even though his record doesn't inspire me too much. He could turn out to perfect for us.

Having said that...
I agree with pen4 (first time for anything): 4 weeks ago RVN wouldn't have been on anyone's radar. In that respect it is a knee jerk replacement based on a caretaker bounce (2 of his 3 wins against us is no benchmark).

I agree with Shane...a well run club wouldn't limit themselves to considering a handful of 'names' , and would actually already have a wider list of potential candidates from across the world. Think Brighton appointing a 31 yr old, or Bournemouths choice last year. Guys that would NEVER have been mentioned , yet appear to be doing a very good job. We are so far off that level of planning it's embarrassing. Absolute proof that one of the key lessons from Rogers sacking was not learned. Would love to know if adequate succession planning was identified in the infamous end of season review that Susan and rudkin had.
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RVN was on the shortlist when Enzo got the job so it's hardly knee jerk.
 
I've said before that the less I know about a manager we appoint the more I generally like it. Ignorance is bliss. Apart from his recent caretaker spell (which tells us nothing) I know sweet FA about Van Nistelrooy's prior managerial career and am happy for it to stay that way & to just get on with it.
 
Just saw cov have got lampard in , makes our appointment very upbeat now. They have dumped a decent hard working gaffa for a spoiled brat who has loads of connections , ok smart and shallow in same breath but even though I feel we got desperate I’m over it now and love Dutch football so basically thumbs out my mush and roll on next games . Lampard senior I loved but his son nah , bet he’ll ring me up in a bit🤭 bring on the rude boys 🦊
 
I don't see how people can moan before he even starts. The only thing I'll be pretty sure of is that it won't last long. He'll either be shit and sacked or do well and move to a 'bigger' club.
 
Bumperty bump.

Well I called it in my first post on RVN ( post 50 )

And I certainly weren't on my own, in fact there was a pretty underwhelming feeling about him being appointed.

I am starting to think this guy has eclipsed the usual suspects for being our worst ever manager

For the record I didn't watch a single minute of tonight's game because my club has lost its soul and is unrecognisable to .the one I've loved for so long.
 
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