So Trump doesn't start wars
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RubberDoug
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Hey thicko. Did LBJ start the Vietnam War? No. But he sure is responsible for making a hell of a mess of it once he 'went for it'. Ditto Libya and Obama and H Clinton.
RubberDoug
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All on record. There's a differnce between kissing a kid, I do it often, it's what normal people do, and being a nonce. People who can't see the differnce are creepy.
So Trump dumped his Bessie after 20 years, just before epsteins activity came to light.
in 1992, Trump directed Florida businessman George Houraney to organize a “calendar girl” competition at Mar-a-Lago, and after 28 female contestants were procured, revealed that the other guests were just “him and Epstein.” Video footage from that same year shows the two men partying together at the Palm Beach resort with cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins, laughing, chatting, and, in the case of Trump, pawing at women. The friendly relationship continued for more than 10 years after that, with the two men reportedly dining at Epstein’s mansion and attending many of the same dinner parties; according to Epstein’s brother, Mark, Trump would comp Epstein’s mother and aunt at one of his Atlantic City casino hotels and flew on Epstein’s private jet—the one he allegedly used to ferry underage girls to his private island of horrors—“numerous times.” One person who observed both men told the Washington Post that “they were tight” and that, nauseatingly, “they were each other’s wingmen.”
in 1992, Trump directed Florida businessman George Houraney to organize a “calendar girl” competition at Mar-a-Lago, and after 28 female contestants were procured, revealed that the other guests were just “him and Epstein.” Video footage from that same year shows the two men partying together at the Palm Beach resort with cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins, laughing, chatting, and, in the case of Trump, pawing at women. The friendly relationship continued for more than 10 years after that, with the two men reportedly dining at Epstein’s mansion and attending many of the same dinner parties; according to Epstein’s brother, Mark, Trump would comp Epstein’s mother and aunt at one of his Atlantic City casino hotels and flew on Epstein’s private jet—the one he allegedly used to ferry underage girls to his private island of horrors—“numerous times.” One person who observed both men told the Washington Post that “they were tight” and that, nauseatingly, “they were each other’s wingmen.”
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sixthswan
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Look at the title of the thread, before throwing insults around. You're looking for the word "start" if that helps. So we discuss wars started by Presidents. Does that make sense?
When did H Clinton start a war?
RubberDoug
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Point 1. "only"?
Point 2. JG said "like".
Typical OTT BS, from typical OTT BS merchants.
RubberDoug
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I'll say it again thicko.
Trump ain't started 'a war' with Iran. It didn't happen.
Try looking at the title of a thread before you reply.
Okay, I probably made a 'word' mistake with my reply too.
But let's get back to YOUR words.
"Did Obama start the Libyan Civil War?"
How could Obama start the Libyan Civil war?? He ain't a fucking Libyan.
Total BS reply. But you did know exactly what he started and you knew exactly what I meant, but you're more interested in scoring points and trying to look clever.
Obama could and did decide to get the US involved in a war in Libya.
Go read up on it. HC was a driving force in the whole thing.
You do realise that the USA continues to bomb Libya, that hasn't stopped under trumpI'll say it again thicko.
Trump ain't started 'a war' with Iran. It didn't happen.
Try looking at the title of a thread before you reply.
Okay, I probably made a 'word' mistake with my reply too.
But let's get back to YOUR words.
"Did Obama start the Libyan Civil War?"
How could Obama start the Libyan Civil war?? He ain't a fucking Libyan.
But you did know exactly what he started and you knew exactly what I meant, but you're more interested in scoring points and trying to look clever.
Obama could and did decide to get the US involved in a war in Libya.
Go read up on it. HC was a driving force in the whole thing.
RubberDoug
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If you look at all of these leaders over a period of time, once the truth gets out, I'm sure you'll see there was loads of stuff going on, not just overtly, but covertly. With Trump, with the stuff that happened overtly, no one had any time time for it cpet the neo cons, the dems and the usual crew on msm. He was called 'weak' for not doing more. So no ones satisfied with him. But how about sharing with us all of this info on the continuous bombing campaign in Libya. I'm open to everything.
Continues, not continuous.
2017 Edit
18–19 January – US B-2 bombers target and neutralize 80–90 ISIL affiliates.
22– September strikes on an ISIL camp killing over 17 militants and destroying 3 vehicles.[64]
26 September – Multiple ISIL militants targeted during precision strikes.
17 November – One airstrike on ISIL affiliates.[65]
19–2 November airstrikes near Fuqaha.[66]
2018 Edit
30 March – First airstrike conducted against AQIM. The strike kills "two al Qaeda terrorists, including Musa Abu Dawud, a high ranking al-Qa'ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) official."[67]
2019 Edit
7 April – The US military announced it has withdrawn all of its ground forces from Libya at the time due to renewed fighting in the civil war there. But said that it will keep intelligence and surveillance UAVs in the region to track terrorists[68]
19 September- a Drone strike killed 8 Islamic State militants in town of Murzuq.[69]
24 September - a Drone strike killed 11 Islamic State Militants near town of Murzuq.[70]
28 September- a Drone strike killed 17 Islamic State militants in south Libya.[71]
Your welcome
RubberDoug
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Good stuff. Come on then give us a link.
Looks like a cut and paste from a Wikipedia page, I expect easy enough to google
Then there is also a large increase in airstrikes in Somalia
theintercept.com
U.S. Airstrikes Hit All-Time High as Coronavirus Spreads in Somalia
The massive escalation of America’s undeclared war in Somalia comes as the U.N. Secretary-General has repeatedly appealed for a global ceasefire.
theintercept.com
Adumass
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@RubberDoug - i'm intrigued. care to tell me your username on the old site?
RubberDoug
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All of it out there man. Good stuff. I'm not here to defend a lot of Trump's foreign adventures. I've never supported what he did, up to a point. And the term ISIS can be thrown around easily. They should get out of most places. That's my way of thinking. It's all wrong.
But humor me here a minute.
What do you think? Which of these three groups are wrongest?
1. GWB and all of his croanies starting wars and destroying at least one society. Iraq.
Result, chaos, civil war and groups terrorizing locals.
2. BO and HC and JB joining in wars around North Africa and helping to destroy at least one society. Libya.
Result, more chaos and groups terrorizing locals.
3. DJT, not destroying a country, but taking out ISIS who entered the vacuum created by the last two presidencies.
Possible result, taking out psychotic groups terrorizing locals.
Let me know what you think.
But humor me here a minute.
What do you think? Which of these three groups are wrongest?
1. GWB and all of his croanies starting wars and destroying at least one society. Iraq.
Result, chaos, civil war and groups terrorizing locals.
2. BO and HC and JB joining in wars around North Africa and helping to destroy at least one society. Libya.
Result, more chaos and groups terrorizing locals.
3. DJT, not destroying a country, but taking out ISIS who entered the vacuum created by the last two presidencies.
Possible result, taking out psychotic groups terrorizing locals.
Let me know what you think.
It a false premise though isn't it and completely hypothetical.
The question should be: faced with the same circumstances how would different leaders respond.
So far trump hasn't been faced with situations that lead to sending the troops in. But he has ramped up attacks across Africa and the Middle East.
The GWB situation was inevitable once the towers came down, the pride of the us was hurt and they were always going to show the world how big and strong they are.
In think that trump or any other US president would have done the same, for that matter if the tories had been in power at the time they would have to.
jackieguaccamo
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Some people make a lot of wealth from war.
jackieguaccamo
Flat Earther
Some religions make a lot of money from war.
It pretty sick really, cunts
RubberDoug
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BS.
It's only a false premise, because it doesn't fit in with your view.
There was no need to invade Iraq. 9-11 shouldn't lead to it, unless theres already a desire to do it. There was a desire to do it.
OB and gang couldn't learn from Iraq, Afghanistan? Really? After OB so strongly opposed at least one of those campaigns. I have a feeling OB wasn't really up for Libya, but he still green lighted it. He WAS definitely up for Syria. He wanted in, and he wanted us to go with him. One of the best votes ever was that NO in parliament.
Trump was faced with an opportunity in Iran. He didn't take it. Well done Trump. At least someone learned something.
hackneyfox
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Can we keep him? please
RegiRoka
Roofer
I think we should. After all, we still have you.
Hilarious thread. It's odd what hate of one person will do: it looks like people are actually revising their opinions on the biggest fuck up of our century, never mind the shambles in Afghanistan. Same for the disaster in Libya. No matter the world is still paying for all of that, even before we get to the failed attempt to start us off on another invasion in Syria.
Bush and Obama? Four presidential terms of really big, bloody and disasterous fuck ups, with one extra disaster, thankfully swerved, leaving egg on the face of the cunts that tried to dish it up to us. (Our PM included.)
Bearing in mind how things were explained to us, I accept that they'd have to go into Afghanistan. But the rest? Of course these people didn't have to go to war. It's fucking obvious.
Mental.
sixthswan
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Most of the recent wars in the Middle East have been about oil and energy source protection. They have just been dressed up to be about something else, like WMD, or Bin Laden, Saddam, Taliban or ISIS.
Trump has continued to protect these assets, but in a hissy fit is planning to withdraw these protections on the eve of leaving office. Which will sadly lead to more chaos and conflict.
Trump has continued to protect these assets, but in a hissy fit is planning to withdraw these protections on the eve of leaving office. Which will sadly lead to more chaos and conflict.
AFCDorset
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Difficult call though sixth'. it has always been Trump policy to cut US involvement in the region but but he has been blocked at every turn by the Intelligence services, Military and the 'deep state' in general.
I think Trumps instincts are quite sound on this though after 20 years of buggering up the region, it's a bit 'complicated'.
sixthswan
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That is the issue. It is extremely complicated.
The removal of Saddam from Iraq created a power vacuum, reopened old wounds and caused a civil war. The Yanks created this and have no idea how to end it. Complete withdrawal from Iraq without adequate self-rule, would allow ISIS to regroup and put the oil fields at peril again.
Just one example.
The removal of Saddam from Iraq created a power vacuum, reopened old wounds and caused a civil war. The Yanks created this and have no idea how to end it. Complete withdrawal from Iraq without adequate self-rule, would allow ISIS to regroup and put the oil fields at peril again.
Just one example.
AFCDorset
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Indeed. I seem to recall a number of articles portraying the 2nd war as virtually a private affair between Bush Snr and Saddam.
Left over 'family business' from the days Bush was running various dodgy oil and intelligence based organisations, often in collusion with the Bin Laden family.
Left over 'family business' from the days Bush was running various dodgy oil and intelligence based organisations, often in collusion with the Bin Laden family.