Trafalgar square
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Everton Carr
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Yes because all of us on the so called right love Boris Johnson don't we
A man who tried to force vaccine passports on the nation.He's almost hated as much as Starmer..Bless you for trying though and better luck next time.
A man who tried to force vaccine passports on the nation.He's almost hated as much as Starmer..Bless you for trying though and better luck next time.Club_B00k_Crutchless
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I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or you can't actually figure out that post is not about Boris Johnson.Yes because all of us on the so called right love Boris Johnson don't we
Everton Carr
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Who's bothered what the Torys say and think they are just as bad as Labour.All of them.are hypocrites
And yet you replied & made it all about you.Yes because all of us on the so called right love Boris Johnson don't we
SK24U
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He does like to use that word.
SK24U
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Indeed. I was taking the piss. You post on a thread, means you're debating. I post means Im stalking. But it's OK I get that you struggle answering direct questions.Indeed. Here you are again
As a passing observer of what I suppose we must call Anglican twitter, a fair number of people (or at least online accounts) campaigning for reassertion (or whatever you want to call it) of Christianity seem to have Christian denominations and tradition other than their own in their sights a lot of the time.
Quite a few of the non-white arrivals have actually added to the total number of practising Christians.
Not enough it seems, to reverse the decline.
I’d wager that most of those brandishing their new-found Christianity like a badge of honour, haven’t set foot in a church outside of a marriage or a funeral for years if not decades, & also unlikely to be displaying the core aspects of behaviour & outlook that Christianity was founded on.
Everton Carr
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That don't change the fact we are a Christian Country though
I’m not certain just saying it makes it magically meaningful.
Everton Carr
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Look up our history. Sure you want an Islamic state and no doubt you will get your wish within 20 years but we are there yet
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The domination of public spaces is, as students of Islamism know, fundamental to the modus operandi of radical Islam. As Ed Husain, the former extremist turned scholar, says, the “total Islamisation of the public space” is an expression of power and intimidation. Islamisation, he explains, includes women in hijab, Islamist posters and open prayers.
So many were concerned when a Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square saw not only the adhan – the call to Muslim prayer – but the synchronised ritual prayer of Muslim men beside the National Gallery and the old Anglican church, St Martin-in-the-Fields.
Some MPs and commentators say public concern is misplaced. Some have even called it racist or – to use the recent invention – “Islamophobic”. They claim this exhibition of faith is no different from Trafalgar Square hosting dancing Sikhs, drinking football fans, or an Easter Passion Play.
But this is wrong. First, the adhan makes the theological claim that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. That is, by definition, a repudiation of other beliefs. When proclaimed publicly, it is not just private devotion made visible; it is a declaration of dominance.
Some claim the adhan is no different from the peal of church bells, or the recital of the Nicene Creed in church. But this is wrong on three counts. First, church bells simply ring out, and do not assert any theological message or criticism of other faiths. Second, the Nicene Creed is a personal statement of faith that begins, “I believe”.
And third, even if these facts were not true, Christianity holds a different place to other religions in Britain. It is the foundation of our way of life, expressed in laws and norms and our institutional, intellectual and cultural inheritance. Expressions of Christianity here do not seek to challenge or replace anything, because our society rests upon the Christian idea.
The adhan, however, explicitly rejects the Christian belief in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, and asserts the truth of the Islamic faith. Indeed, historically the adhan was not only a communal call to prayer, but a declaration of Islamic control over a territory.
In a pluralistic society like ours, people are free to believe in the unique truth of Islam if they choose. They are free to proclaim it at home, in mosques, and in communities that gather for that purpose. But when such declarations are projected into shared civic spaces – including monuments of national history and identity such as Trafalgar Square – the line between freedom of religion and the imposition of religious rituals blurs.
And it is exactly this kind of gradual occupation of shared spaces that comes – as Ed Husain explained – straight from the Islamist playbook.
Husain warns the ‘total Islamisation of the public space’ is an expression of power and intimidation Credit: Lorne Campbell
None of this is to say all those who attended Trafalgar Square are extremists. But the normalisation of large-scale religious assertions in our institutions and civic spaces aligns with a broader pattern associated with hard-edged ideological aims.
And that pattern is clear. We have seen protestors take a break from their marches against Israel to pray in the open air. We have seen symbolic ritual worship in front of national monuments such as the Houses of Parliament. When the extremist preacher Abu Hamza was turfed out of Finsbury Park Mosque, he led his supporters in ritual prayer on the residential streets nearby.
These are all acts of domination: an expression of power. And that power is now shaping our public life. The politics of communalism are already corrupting important institutions like the police, as we saw with the scandal of the ban on Israeli supporters from a football match in Birmingham. We are likely to see it at the ballot box in the local elections in May. And of course, these political trends are behind the Government’s new “Islamophobia” definition.
The purpose of that definition is to shut down debate, and stifle scrutiny of religious ideas and associated political beliefs. This should appal us all, because it is contradictory to the basic tenets of a free society. If we lose the ability to challenge ideas, beliefs and even actions, we can no longer call ourselves a free country.
A memorial to national independence, Trafalgar Square belongs to us all. To use it as a stage for this act of domination and division is completely wrong, and it should never be allowed to happen again.
So many were concerned when a Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square saw not only the adhan – the call to Muslim prayer – but the synchronised ritual prayer of Muslim men beside the National Gallery and the old Anglican church, St Martin-in-the-Fields.
Some MPs and commentators say public concern is misplaced. Some have even called it racist or – to use the recent invention – “Islamophobic”. They claim this exhibition of faith is no different from Trafalgar Square hosting dancing Sikhs, drinking football fans, or an Easter Passion Play.
But this is wrong. First, the adhan makes the theological claim that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. That is, by definition, a repudiation of other beliefs. When proclaimed publicly, it is not just private devotion made visible; it is a declaration of dominance.
Some claim the adhan is no different from the peal of church bells, or the recital of the Nicene Creed in church. But this is wrong on three counts. First, church bells simply ring out, and do not assert any theological message or criticism of other faiths. Second, the Nicene Creed is a personal statement of faith that begins, “I believe”.
And third, even if these facts were not true, Christianity holds a different place to other religions in Britain. It is the foundation of our way of life, expressed in laws and norms and our institutional, intellectual and cultural inheritance. Expressions of Christianity here do not seek to challenge or replace anything, because our society rests upon the Christian idea.
The adhan, however, explicitly rejects the Christian belief in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, and asserts the truth of the Islamic faith. Indeed, historically the adhan was not only a communal call to prayer, but a declaration of Islamic control over a territory.
In a pluralistic society like ours, people are free to believe in the unique truth of Islam if they choose. They are free to proclaim it at home, in mosques, and in communities that gather for that purpose. But when such declarations are projected into shared civic spaces – including monuments of national history and identity such as Trafalgar Square – the line between freedom of religion and the imposition of religious rituals blurs.
And it is exactly this kind of gradual occupation of shared spaces that comes – as Ed Husain explained – straight from the Islamist playbook.
Husain warns the ‘total Islamisation of the public space’ is an expression of power and intimidation Credit: Lorne Campbell
None of this is to say all those who attended Trafalgar Square are extremists. But the normalisation of large-scale religious assertions in our institutions and civic spaces aligns with a broader pattern associated with hard-edged ideological aims.
And that pattern is clear. We have seen protestors take a break from their marches against Israel to pray in the open air. We have seen symbolic ritual worship in front of national monuments such as the Houses of Parliament. When the extremist preacher Abu Hamza was turfed out of Finsbury Park Mosque, he led his supporters in ritual prayer on the residential streets nearby.
These are all acts of domination: an expression of power. And that power is now shaping our public life. The politics of communalism are already corrupting important institutions like the police, as we saw with the scandal of the ban on Israeli supporters from a football match in Birmingham. We are likely to see it at the ballot box in the local elections in May. And of course, these political trends are behind the Government’s new “Islamophobia” definition.
The purpose of that definition is to shut down debate, and stifle scrutiny of religious ideas and associated political beliefs. This should appal us all, because it is contradictory to the basic tenets of a free society. If we lose the ability to challenge ideas, beliefs and even actions, we can no longer call ourselves a free country.
A memorial to national independence, Trafalgar Square belongs to us all. To use it as a stage for this act of domination and division is completely wrong, and it should never be allowed to happen again.
It would be great where you can point me towards a post where I’ve said I want an Islamic state.
In other news, NF is banning Christmas now too.
Nigel Farage calls for ban on mass religious observances after Trafalgar Square row
Sir Sadiq Khan was among worshippers at a Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square, which Tory shadow minister Nick Timothy as an ‘act of domination and division’
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Everton Carr
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Yep Celebrating Christmas no different to 4k Mulims with there bums in the air at TSIt would be great where you can point me towards a post where I’ve said I want an Islamic state.
In other news, NF is banning Christmas now too.
Nigel Farage calls for ban on mass religious observances after Trafalgar Square row
Sir Sadiq Khan was among worshippers at a Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square, which Tory shadow minister Nick Timothy as an ‘act of domination and division’
I thought as much.
It’s literally there in the title:
“Nigel Farage calls for ban on mass religious observances ”
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Just come back from a walk in the local park. You could hardly move for Islam taking over.
"A memorial to national independence, Trafalgar Square belongs to us all. To use it as a stage for this act of domination and division is completely wrong, and it should never be allowed to happen again."
Did he get this upset about the Jews using TS?
Everton Carr
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You obvs weren't walking in Knighton Park then.Apart from Peter Welsh and his wife Jane you will struggle to see a white person
Scared little man.
Interesting.
At the top of the statue of Admiral Horatio Nelson there is a Muslim crescent on the medal he is wearing on his bicorn hat.
It is called a chelengk and it was gifted to Admiral Nelson by Selim III, sultan of the Ottoman empire from 1789 to 1807, in honour of the Battle of The Nile in 1798.
Nelson was the first non-Muslim to receive the chelengk and he wore it on his hat like a turban jewel.
Despite being a practising Christian who encouraged religion on his ships, he wore with pride his chelengk, reflecting friendly relations with the Muslim world too.
At the top of the statue of Admiral Horatio Nelson there is a Muslim crescent on the medal he is wearing on his bicorn hat.
It is called a chelengk and it was gifted to Admiral Nelson by Selim III, sultan of the Ottoman empire from 1789 to 1807, in honour of the Battle of The Nile in 1798.
Nelson was the first non-Muslim to receive the chelengk and he wore it on his hat like a turban jewel.
Despite being a practising Christian who encouraged religion on his ships, he wore with pride his chelengk, reflecting friendly relations with the Muslim world too.
Everton Carr
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Who said im scared just pointing out a fact.
Everton Carr
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What's your Thoughts on Laila Cunningham admitting on the Jeremy Kyle show she gets more deaths threats from Muslims who call her a traitor then from the so called far right extremists. Funny that thought it was the religion of peace
It’s terrible if she is, although as I’ve said before, I’ve seen a fair number of comments from ‘patriots’ questioning Cunningham & Yusuf as English or British people, & ideas on where they should be going if / when NF’s business / party is elected.
Unsure what this has to do with Trafalgar Square TBH.
Everton Carr
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What history are you are talking about? If you mean the talk show he used to do the producers are to blame not the presenter.Spiteful and horrible creature seems a bit strong for someone I suspect you have never met. Still im sure you find James O Brien a kind and decent man though.
Does your blood pressure skyrocket whenever you peer through your curtains and see a brown person?
Everton Carr
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Well considering my sister in law is Indian I would hope not.You lefties just love the R word think you will find Islam is not a race.