Well they did lead the country to where we are now, or did the opposition manage to pass loads of bills secretly that we don't know about?
Two Tier Justice - Part 678
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Given Lee’s glorious leader (the part-time MP, you know the one) had a significant part to play with the riots that happened, which led to the imprisonment of the guy that committed suicide, it seems that this group of people has form in shit-stirring & misinformation.
RocketClock
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Led By Donkeys
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Very interesting but avoiding the question as per usual
What does the Lee Anderson's post have to do with the Steve Lynch case?
You’re missing the point, the previous government were criticised on here constantly by a vociferous few, one of them is now complaining because the present incumbents are being treated in a similar fashion
Have a look at 30p’s first post - easily the sort of thing that could have led to a crowd gathering outside the hotel, threatening to burn everyone inside it.
And then cast your mind back to the shit-stirring Farage prior to the riots that Lynch was involved with.
bannedontherun
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Who is Steve Lynch?
Led By Donkeys
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No crowd, no threats. Deflection again. Wrong place & wrong hotel.
But three children where murdered (brutally stabbed to death in fact) in Southport - did you not hear about it?
Govts should always be critiscized when they do things wrong of whatever political hue.
The problem with this board which is a reflection of the country at large somewhat is that certain people only complain when their party isn't in power. Pen4 aka ledbydonkeys is the prime example here. Gob shut for 14 years, now he can't STFU, despite the vast majority of problems caused by the govt of those 14 years. That also doesn't mean fuck ups like winter fuel allowance going away, accepting gifts etc get a free pass. That's the difference between a brainless partisan and the rest of us.
Disaster only averted because of the reply 30p was given in that screenshot - & you call that ‘deflection’. Perhaps he & his ilk need to do some homework before they spout their gobs off on social media?
Amazing that the rioters also chose to ignore the plea of one of the parents of those poor children that died, in addition to locals noting that many of the rioters that had gathered weren’t even Southport residents.
And targeting mosques & hotels that had nothing to do with the murderer - yup, keep applauding those rioters.
Southport stabbings: Mum of victim says 'stop the violence' as locals left to clean up after riots
Local residents have been left to clean up after violence in the seaside town last night saw rioters clash with police and target a mosque.
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Don't let the people who broke the law cloud the issue, a lot of people have very strong feelings about these issues, not just those that shout the loudest. Sir Kier's desire to bring the law breakers to justice (suppress?) quickly suggests to me he was well aware of the possibility of it getting out of the control of the authorities.
We're probably going over old ground here because I'm fairly certain this was all dissected at the time this all happened, but can anyone tell me how things can be solved when those that have nothing to do with the murderer were attacked?
To my mind, it's pretty simple - if disinformation isn't spread >> people don't get riled up >> people don't start attacking those that have nothing to do with the murderer >> people like Lynch don't get involved
Led By Donkeys
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Deflection and avoidance of the issues again
Keep your head in the sand as much and for as long as you like but the problems won't go away
Because it was the tipping point, people's frustrations, concerns and worries were triggered by the events in Southport. It will happen again, the EU has realised that people have been pushed too far, it's time our leaders realised this as well.
It’s never OK to attack a bunch of people that had nothing to do with what actually happened.
Which bunch in particular?
bannedontherun
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Triggered. A euphemism for any excuse.
Only in your mind
Mosques & hotels were attacked, trashed or / burned, with people still inside. People that had nothing to do with the murders.
Note that 30p in his post didn’t apologise but “knew there had to be an explanation” - why not exercise that brain cell in the first place?
All of which was completely wrong, but the vast majority of people behaved themselves, they were just ordinary people frustrated that their concerns were/are ignored. When if you dismiss people simply because you don't agree with them it inevitably leads to irritation and potential over reaction.
Don't dismiss the protests as a bunch of right wing thugs, people have genuine concerns and failure to address those concerns will only make things worse and give fuel to the extremists fire.
Don't dismiss the protests as a bunch of right wing thugs, people have genuine concerns and failure to address those concerns will only make things worse and give fuel to the extremists fire.
Attacking a bunch of people that had nothing to do with the murders = not OK
The likes of NF & 30p shouldn't be spreading disinformation, speculating, or demanding immediate answers when there is little or no information on what has happened - they are absolutely responsible for unnecessarily stoking the fires for anyone that ended up writing stuff online or being actively involved in the riots.
I've no doubt that in some perverse fashion, NF & 30p enjoy agitating in this manner because they thrive on chaos & division.
Selective editing of my posts is a pretty poor way to prove your argument.
I haven't said anywhere that 30p and NF are correct but constantly deflecting the discussion to "prove" that all of the people on the streets were intent on violence against certain demographics and easily led is equally wrong.
I haven't said anywhere that 30p and NF are correct but constantly deflecting the discussion to "prove" that all of the people on the streets were intent on violence against certain demographics and easily led is equally wrong.
You’ve used it as a justification, hence the highlighting of it.
And at no point have I said everyone on the streets was intent on violence, although again, given there was no connection between the mosques, hotels & businesses they were attacking, I’m not entirely certain what the actual point of gathering on the streets was, given the families of the girls had requested peace.
Crosses wires here. Being out on the streets in this instance is one thing (e.g. as part of a peaceful vigil or remembrance for the girls, for anything else I’m not so sure).
Think we can agree those being targeted shouldn’t have been because they had absolutely nothing to do with the murderer.
DagenhamFox
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What is true is since these started to get tough sentences and was very prominent in the news the public disorder has died down, a win for Starmer.
It will all start up again at some time but unlike last time everyone will be hooded and face masked up to the hilt. Weekend Offender and Stone Island may make a few sales before it begins again.
It will all start up again at some time but unlike last time everyone will be hooded and face masked up to the hilt. Weekend Offender and Stone Island may make a few sales before it begins again.
RegiRoka
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It's pointless debating. Mostly, we are just determined to never see things.
I see the usual people edging towards the authoritative line: you don't like the current conflict, so the solution is silencing people. Great, but I'd say that's part of the reason why we've got here.
Here's a simple suggestion for people who love the democratic voice of the people.
Why not have a referendum on this...
'Do you want uncontrolled immigration?' Yes or no?
The answer might make this debate unnecessary.
I see the usual people edging towards the authoritative line: you don't like the current conflict, so the solution is silencing people. Great, but I'd say that's part of the reason why we've got here.
Here's a simple suggestion for people who love the democratic voice of the people.
Why not have a referendum on this...
'Do you want uncontrolled immigration?' Yes or no?
The answer might make this debate unnecessary.