VAT on School Fees

Billsballbag said:
The topic doesn't half bring out the wanker in people.
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is that a new thing ?

I've no idea about school fees, one of my granddaughters was in plrivate schools, but they just moved to an area that had top quality state schools, and I've never ask about the fees. Even though l paid for the youngests kindergarten but never saw the invoice.
 
But if people want to pay again why restrict their choice? I suppose it's possible to argue that the VAT situation is some recompense to those who want to pay for something they're already paying for through taxation
 
If all kids were forced to go to state schools then you’d see a lot more pressure being put on governments to improve education in this country.*
You’d also perhaps not have such an ‘entitled’ bunch running the country.

*Same applies to private health.
 
hackneyfox said:
If all kids were forced to go to state schools then you’d see a lot more pressure being put on governments to improve education in this country.*
You’d also perhaps not have such an ‘entitled’ bunch running the country.
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I can't agree that restricting choice is a good thing, as for the entitled bunch running the country I think that is more a problem of wealth/contacts/power rather than place of education.
 
What? said:
I can't agree that restricting choice is a good thing, as for the entitled bunch running the country I think that is more a problem of wealth/contacts/power rather than place of education.
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The place of education and old school tie is what leads to the problem with wealth/contacts/power.
If all kids went to state schools do you not think the likes of Stanley Johnson wouldn’t have exerted massive pressure to ensure standards of education were massively improved.
If your family aren’t going to use state schools/NHS why would you care about the state of it?
 
There are a lot of "powerful" and wealthy people in and out of government who were not privately educated, especially at the likes of Eaton.

There are many types of private education, not just the staggeringly expensive (Boris) type of schools
 
None of which should exist.
Don’t blame anyone for using private health or public schools, just don’t believe the option should even exist.
Certainly shouldn’t be getting tax breaks or charitable status.
 
What? said:
There are a lot of "powerful" and wealthy people in and out of government who were not privately educated, especially at the likes of Eaton.

There are many types of private education, not just the staggeringly expensive (Boris) type of schools
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Yes there are those type of people...and guess who they quite often make connections with and who they lobby.
Some don't, but the option to do so, should not exist through an expensive education unavailable to most.
Of the 57 PMs to date, 31 were educated at three fee-paying "elite" schools...
There have been recent exceptions, but best not mention some of them...as they might make the argument for sourcing politicians from private education ;)
 
What? said:
See my reply above

You really have lost faith in people/the system if you think everyone is like that.
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Education and the NHS were in a terrible state before the Labour governments of Blair/Brown threw money at them both and drastically cut waiting times and massively increased the number of good/outstanding schools in London. All undone by the next government.
If the tories had their welathier voters lambasting them over the state of the nation then perhaps ……
If you, your parents and your children have never used the NHS or state schools how would you have any appreciation of what is/isn’t offered?
 
Well I could debate with you at length the problems in/with the NHS and the reasons for them but we were talking about private education.
If we were to stop all private education it would mean a lot more children would go into the state system, since the parents of those children are (mostly) already UK tax payers how would you fund the sudden influx?
I think you have a rather narrow view of private education, probably based on the Eton model, there are a lot of very ordinary middle class families choosing to educate their children privately for a variety of reasons, I take your point that the very top echelons of our society do tend to come from the old boys network but there are an awful lot other kids in private education that will end up being ordinary people like the rest of us.
I just don't like the idea of taking way peoples choices because of the actions of an obnoxious minority.
 
I’ll once again point you to my main reason.
If all kids went to state schools the minted and more vocal parents whose kids go to private school (not saying Eton) would ensure that more was spent on education and standards raises for all.
 
hackneyfox said:
If all kids were forced to go to state schools then you’d see a lot more pressure being put on governments to improve education in this country.*
You’d also perhaps not have such an ‘entitled’ bunch running the country.

*Same applies to private health.
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ah you mean communism !

no point working hard and risking all then, the one's who don't, want the same as the grafters without then putting any work in.

Good job some people have a work ethic and push the world forward.
 
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hackneyfox said:
I’ll once again point you to my main reason.
If all kids went to state schools the minted and more vocal parents whose kids go to private school (not saying Eton) would ensure that more was spent on education and standards raises for all.
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Nonsense, what a load of stereotypical twaddle
 
No fee-paying schools.
No grammar schools.
Just schools please...
They will differ in standard - it's inevitable...
Life isn't fair, but there should be a better equality in opportunity, than at current.
 
Even if everyone had equal opportunities there will always be some that will make the most of it and some that won't
 
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