Whoop whoop!

Good riddance to bad rubbish no doubt but bizarre in the extreme that in the second lowest turnout of recent times Labour get a lower percentage share than Jezza in 2017 and end up with a landslide victory. A sad indictment on the electoral system.
 
Will Amanda Hook support vaccine injured or the murdered pensioners ?

which is the biggest catastrophe of our time.

Yet because the press hide it, most pretend it hasn't happened.

Shameful if she doesn't.
 
There's something rather hilarious about the unavoidable truth that the lefties had to rely on Farage to get them elected – as well as having to masquerade as tories in many respects.
 
There's something rather hilarious about the unavoidable truth that the lefties had to rely on Farage to get them elected – as well as having to masquerade as tories in many respects.
Not so sure it is unavoidable. Definitely true that without Farage & Co. there is no way that Labour would have gotten anywhere near a large majority and I am sure that Reform took significant chunks of Tory support but the questions would be how much Labour support also switched to Reform and without Reform what would Turnout have been? I don't think it is a given that all Reform votes were from disgruntled Tory voters or that without them all of those voting for Reform would have reverted to their previous choices.
 
Not so sure it is unavoidable. Definitely true that without Farage & Co. there is no way that Labour would have gotten anywhere near a large majority and I am sure that Reform took significant chunks of Tory support but the questions would be how much Labour support also switched to Reform and without Reform what would Turnout have been? I don't think it is a given that all Reform votes were from disgruntled Tory voters or that without them all of those voting for Reform would have reverted to their previous choices.
Reform is very much dependent on the cult of Farage - I could be wrong, but they were polling much, much lower in the campaign with Tice in charge.

As mentioned earlier, Farage is very also reliant upon lots of verbal rhetoric & actually done very little political work even as an MEP - which is fine if you always want to be an agitator or disruptor, but surely even his most loyal supporters would have to concede there's a point where continuously shouting, blaming others & at times spreading out & out lies, no longer hold water?

Or maybe like Trump, the supporters like their situation (ironically, largely caused by politicians of a different rosette colour but from the same background as Farage) continuously fuelled? Who knows?!
 
As mentioned earlier, Farage is very also reliant upon lots of verbal rhetoric & actually done very little political work even as an MEP - which is fine if you always want to be an agitator or disruptor, but surely even his most loyal supporters would have to concede there's a point where continuously shouting, blaming others & at times spreading out & out lies, no longer hold water?
Whilst not arguing against what you say, those sentiments could be applied to a lot more politicos than just Mr Farage
 
It makes the only really interesting aspect of the next five years the question of whether Reform blow up, or grow up – the landslide could very easily get reversed.
Can it be reversed ? I think there's a ground swell to be honest and if they start getting involved locally we might see it becoming the genuine alternative to the Globalist two cheeks of the same arsehole.
 
Reform is very much dependent on the cult of Farage - I could be wrong, but they were polling much, much lower in the campaign with Tice in charge.
Sure they were this time, he was the fuel, but, to TopFox's point it's really about what happens next and it would be a mistake to assume as a given that if Farage goes away or shows himself to be unfit as an MP (which he would hardly be alone in being) Reform will revert to being an irrelevance. If they can build on this Farage driven momentum to be something less focussed on him their bigger challenge I feel is likely to be the same as has faced by the tories in particular; speaking with one voice. But that is much easier to do in opposition and with representation than without.
 
He doesn’t take well to being questioned and he’ll face a lot more of that as an MP.
He doesn't fall for the DS press manipulation, don't start thinking I'm a fan but l watched some horrible Sky bitch trying to get him to say certain words so they could paraphrase and misquote him as they do.

This gives the brainwashed ammunition to lie and twist facts, as they love too.

The truth is their enemy.
 
Reform is very much dependent on the cult of Farage - I could be wrong, but they were polling much, much lower in the campaign with Tice in charge.

As mentioned earlier, Farage is very also reliant upon lots of verbal rhetoric & actually done very little political work even as an MEP - which is fine if you always want to be an agitator or disruptor, but surely even his most loyal supporters would have to concede there's a point where continuously shouting, blaming others & at times spreading out & out lies, no longer hold water?

Or maybe like Trump, the supporters like their situation (ironically, largely caused by politicians of a different rosette colour but from the same background as Farage) continuously fuelled? Who knows?!
Nonsense, actually l think they would be better of with someone else.

He gives the party the figure head they need to get started but l think someone will emerge.

Out of everyone who mentioned voting over the last couple of weeks or so, to me, have said they were voting Reform.

The only 2 who said other wise are my sister in law and my brother in law, who incidentally are jabbed up to the back teeth.

That alone tells its own story.

I didn't really want to vote for them but l could see no alternative, and believing this party will grow into a genuine peoples party of which most of its supporters are.
 
Not so sure it is unavoidable. Definitely true that without Farage & Co. there is no way that Labour would have gotten anywhere near a large majority and I am sure that Reform took significant chunks of Tory support but the questions would be how much Labour support also switched to Reform and without Reform what would Turnout have been? I don't think it is a given that all Reform votes were from disgruntled Tory voters or that without them all of those voting for Reform would have reverted to their previous choices.
It was just a baton change, as it always is. But, Reform have started something that can go places.

The 2 stroke 4 party system is getting sussed, so here's hoping.

Proportional representation , would have made a massive impact with 6 million votes, but we don't have that and no party in power would back that ever.
 
This is what Cameron tried to avoid in 2016 with the Brexit vote, the tory party being split down the middle.
Here we are 8 years later and we're out of europe and they still got decimated, so what a waste of time and money that was.
Labour vote was solid from 2019 but the Tory vote collapsed, which has all the marks of a protest vote against an incumbent. but only time will tell.
Reform got 600k more votes than the lib-dems but ended up with 66 less seats in the FPTP system as their vote was spread across the country.
They've only got 1 more than the Greens.
The challenge for Labour is to address the issues that the tories didn't that caused voters to leave the party in droves and go to Reform, otherwise as David Bowie once said, "We've got 5 years ..".

Isn't it interesting as well that Sinn Fein are now the largest party in Northern Ireland?
 
Sinn Fein have sold out in the South and are now the enemy of the people, I'm guessing its the same in the North.
 
My best guess is they thought Labour are a bunch of wankers and the Tories are a bigger bunch of wankers so they might as well vote for a none existent wanker
 
How would you stop the boats?
l'd strap a bomb to you and throw you at them.

stop being a twat, its easy to stop the boats moron.


by the way, why pick a log in name that actually means NerveFox ?
I'm guessing that you don't know what neuro means.

I'll answer you question before you ask, BNET was my password of choice for a company that l owned called Blue-net, and it was originally set up as a hospitality company. The blue referencing LCFC.
 
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stop the boats is one, and a very very important one.

I looked at the Reform policy on "small boats"...

"Illegal migrants who come to the UK will be detained and deported.
And if needed, migrants in small boats will be picked up and taken back to France."

Stop the Boats with our 4 Point Plan

1 - Leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
2 - Zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK.
3 - New Department of Immigration.
4 - Pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France.

Just wondering...

1 - Do you support the UK leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?
Do you disagree with every part of that convention?

2 - Where are the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers to be housed, while they are being processed?
Where exactly would the failed applications be sent to?

3 - What do we need yet another Department for?

4 - How do you propose we persuade France to accept the return of these people?
 
I looked at the Reform policy on "small boats"...

"Illegal migrants who come to the UK will be detained and deported.
And if needed, migrants in small boats will be picked up and taken back to France."

Stop the Boats with our 4 Point Plan

1 - Leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
2 - Zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK.
3 - New Department of Immigration.
4 - Pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France.

Just wondering...

1 - Do you support the UK leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?
Do you disagree with every part of that convention?

2 - Where are the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers to be housed, while they are being processed?
Where exactly would the failed applications be sent to?

3 - What do we need yet another Department for?

4 - How do you propose we persuade France to accept the return of these people?

Perhaps we can get one of the paper candidates to explain it, if the directors of the Reform company are unavailable?
 
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