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Says the man using identity politicsUsual woke/socialist attitudes. Identity politics to the fore.
Says the man using identity politicsUsual woke/socialist attitudes. Identity politics to the fore.
You made that assumption. Someone saying the opposite to you or challenging you, doesn’t make them a ‘lefty’.Chatting on here I find that, rather too often, I get called out by those 'of the left', for wrong think, I reply politely but robustly.
Fuck off back to your bigoted insular world wanker.fuck off back to your arson ffs.
No. Identity politics uses your race, gender and culture to fit you into a hierarchy of control. I am just calling people out for what they are. I make no judgements because, in the main, it does not matter to me.Says the man using identity politics
I have to make assumptions, you are not open about who or what you are, you talk like a lefty, walk like a lefty....You made that assumption. Someone saying the opposite to you or challenging you, doesn’t make them a ‘lefty’.
Which means you end up using overused cliches to back up your entrenched views.
Woke. Lefty. Socialist. Marxist. You're making assumptions about people and placing them into a group. It's not just race, gender and culture.Identity politics uses your race, gender and culture to fit you into a hierarchy of control
It’s been pointed out to you before & you even admitted there was a possibility of it, due to your age - not enough time in the world for me to trawl through the archives.No. Identity politics uses your race, gender and culture to fit you into a hierarchy of control. I am just calling people out for what they are. I make no judgements because, in the main, it does not matter to me.
I have to make assumptions, you are not open about who or what you are, you talk like a lefty, walk like a lefty....
Still waiting for an example of my 'entrenched views'. In your own time.
Says the man using identity politics
Woke. Lefty. Socialist. Marxist. You're making assumptions about people and placing them into a group. It's not just race, gender and culture.
Perhaps, but one persons assessment of another is hardly identity politics. 'The lady doth protest too much....'Woke. Lefty. Socialist. Marxist. You're making assumptions about people and placing them into a group. It's not just race, gender and culture.
Sorry, what is 'it'?It’s been pointed out to you before & you even admitted there was a possibility of it, due to your age - not enough time in the world for me to trawl through the archives.
Besides you’ve never seen me walk.
Is this a new child who just adds smileys but doesn't actually contribute, or another username for a current user?
Looks like someone needs to get back to Identity Politics school.
Don't be unkind. Encourage him to contribute.Is this a new child who just adds smileys but doesn't actually contribute, or another username for a current user?
‘It’ is/was you admitting to the possibility of being entrenched.Perhaps, but one persons assessment of another is hardly identity politics. 'The lady doth protest too much....'
Sorry, what is 'it'?
No need to trawl, just give me an example of my entrenched views.
My age is only relevant in that I can recognise a bandwagon when I see one.
Suck it up dumbass.Is this a new child who just adds smileys but doesn't actually contribute, or another username for a current user?
Now, please don't ask me to join in this debate. It's fucking pathetic. Especially that bit about being scared of needles. Cunt.
Consequently, you may also work out that getting older doesn’t necessarily mean that the older ways were better, because that era placed certain groups at a disadvantage, even more so than nowOne day, perhaps as you get older, you will work out that 'moved on' does not necessarily mean that you are in a better place.
There are people who take that approach but none on here as far as I know.Although, you may be giving me the opportunity to play the victim card if I feel like it.
Morning all.Consequently, you may also work out that getting older doesn’t necessarily mean that the older ways were better, because that era placed certain groups at a disadvantage, even more so than now
Just because you don’t belong to those groups, doesn’t mean you can’t still empathise/sympathise with their situation or POV.
The two are are not mutually exclusive.
Morning Fg.The very fact folks are arguing about this shows how the false culture war this government have stoked up is clearly working .
Meanwhile our PM and Foreign secretary sit smirking on the front bench like naughty schoolboys as our country’s reputation is trashed in full view of the watching world .
Well generalising a little...
Lefties, Conservatives etc... When I was younger, tended to follow the route of ideas. They debated ideas about economics, nation, internationalism, worker's rights, women's rights, racial equality, homosexuality, just about everything. Granted it was emotional, and granted it became tribal and petty at times, and it still does. But the key to it was focussing on ideas. It would have sounded quite strange back then to start opinion with something like, "As a short, bald man, I think we should get rid of nuclear weapons."
Identity Politics, I don't think, puts ideas to the fore. It's more about identifying with one group that you were born into, or have found yourself drawn into, or have just ended up there, and somehow, believing that you're imbued to have special privaliges in the area of ideas. (Oh, and it's very good at dividing people and getting people to argue, to my way of seeing things, often about not much at all.)
It's easy to see how one aspect of it works with just one cliché:
"As a gay single father,...."
I am gay: my opinion about this next thing that I talk about needs to be considered with more weight. (I know what I'm talking about, you probably don't.)
I am gay: I belong to a victim group, so I deserve to be listened to and not criticised, because if you do that, then you're homophobic or something horrid. (You are an oppressor)
I am gay: I belong to the 'good' side. I'm on the side of love. Anyone who disagrees with me belongs to the 'bad'.
I am a gay + single + father = I'm just about untouchable now in the debate that follows.
It's true that people have always been nasty, name-calling. But if someone wants to call me 'alt-right' or 'woke', I see that as name-calling, or misinformed labelling. Although, you may be giving me the opportunity to play the victim card if I feel like it.
Now, please don't ask me to join in this debate. It's fucking pathetic. Especially that bit about being scared of needles. Cunt.
Morning Fg.
I think this goes back rather further than this government. The kind of socio/political methods of control being discussed were instigated by Blairs hardline core that ran the Labour government some twenty years ago, they go back even further in the US.
'Common Purpose' was embedded across all government and public sector organisations from this time on, politicising everything and destroying anyone who dared to object.
I guess it does, but the socio political restructuring of our society in the last 20 or so years is unprecedented.It goes back far, far further than Blair...
I'd argue it's not special consideration, but equal consideration - there is a difference.Once again I see that identity politics is to the fore, the inference that if you belong to certain groups you deserve special consideration is the very basis of identity politics and a very destructive force in our society.
For all your supposed worldliness, I think you're viewing things through a very narrow lens if you think respect & politeness is all that's needed.We have spoken about this before, I treat people on here with respect and politeness and I do the same in real life, what on earth makes you think that I don't?
As for exotic names, surely we are past that now?
I think that's fair enough.For all your supposed worldliness, I think you're viewing things through a very narrow lens if you think respect & politeness is all that's needed.
Speaking as an British-born Asian, I can certainly testify (as i'm sure immigrant generations before me can as well) that all you received as reward where you combined hard work with respect & politeness was a pat on the head & an expectation to know your place.
Why your name matters in the search for a job
Why jobseekers with ethnic names change personal details on their CVs.www.bbc.co.uk