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Shortage of beer . Shortage of staff
Apparently it’s what he voted for
Apparently it’s what he voted for
Very similar to voting 'Leave' when none of the Leave cheerleaders could present a credible plan, & voting for a charlatan & liar like Johnson on the premise of a three-word slogan.the wrong side of history
Germany is short of 40000 drivers too. Have they left?Shortage of beer . Shortage of staff
Apparently it’s what he voted for
Germany is short of 40000 drivers too. Have they left?
You mean we are having to follow rules and suffer from the red tape we were previously exempt from, but now being a third country ( what you voted for ) involves ?Disappointing yet again Foxgolpher. I have no problems with your views, just the usual projection that the problems we have are caused by Brexit when in fact it is all the objections and deliberate malfeasance of the pro EU lobby (whatever you want to call them) that are causing all the issues.
Calling people names is about all that you have, it is just a knee jerk reaction to being on the wrong side of history as in fact you are on most matters.
Mm. There always was a perfectly credible plan, it was called Article 50 and WTO rules.Very similar to voting 'Leave' when none of the Leave cheerleaders could present a credible plan, & voting for a charlatan & liar like Johnson on the premise of a three-word slogan.
Seriously, leavers should just own this. This 'blaming others' lark is just boring now.remainers in public life did everything they could to make sure the process was as fucked up as possible
Exactly .I don’t blame people for voting leave .( I blame the liars who sold it )Seriously, leavers should just own this. This 'blaming others' lark is just boring now.
Seriously, leavers should just own this. This 'blaming others' lark is just boring now.
These two posts make it so clear as to exactly what has gone wrong with the Brexit process. The deliberate and quite wilful misrepresentation of what has happened since the referendum is the essence of the argument.Exactly .I don’t blame people for voting leave .( I blame the liars who sold it )
I am however heartily sick of those Brexiters who are whingeing about it now they have “won” and blaming the people who said it would be a shit show because it’s a shit show .
And this sentence is absurd.The Brexit vote was never won because the British state never had any intentions of accepting and implementing the result.
How ?We are still ruled by the EU, left in name only
The absolute crux of the issue.And this sentence is absurd.
Leavers have twisted themselves into a corner where it's either someone else's fault they didn't get the version of Brexit that most of them couldn't detail beforehand anyway, or would happily accept even the worst version of Brexit that paralyses the country because at the end of the day, it's the "will of the people", & it means "Brexit was delivered".
Fucked-up thinking, for sure.
which institutions do we still belong to ?The absolute crux of the issue.
We both look at the Brexit scenario and see exactly the same thing. The difference is in what we take out of it.
There is no need to twist anything, leavers voted to leave, in the words of the PM of the day we voted to 'leave the EU and all it's institution', that has not happened. They just say that we have, brino.
And I just love your casual dismissal of the 'will of the people', socialism in action.
We do not belong to any, we are simply controlled by them without a say.which institutions do we still belong to ?
Not a casual dismissal at all (I'm not as good at deflecting as you are) - more a case of what was the 'will of the people' if most of them were voting for an idea, but seemed to have little knowledge of how it was going to be done, because the cheerleaders they chose to believe didn't have a clue either.And I just love your casual dismissal of the 'will of the people', socialism in action.
We do not belong to any, we are simply controlled by them without a say.
We are still the largest contributor to the EU budget after Germany, we have fucked up on fishing, Northern Ireland, transport etc and made no attempts to negotiate terms to our advantage.
'The idea' was that of living in a free independent country. Very little else mattered.Not a casual dismissal at all (I'm not as good at deflecting as you are) - more a case of what was the 'will of the people' if most of them were voting for an idea, but seemed to have little knowledge of how it was going to be done, because the cheerleaders they chose to believe didn't have a clue either.
Doesn't fit the narrative Bbb.Why is everyone ignoring the HGV driver pan European article
They are not, nobody suggests that they are.Out of interest, if WTO rules are so great, why aren't others in mad rush to use them?
Which is why noone does as they are crap.Doesn't fit the narrative Bbb.
They are not, nobody suggests that they are.
But they are a baseline set of rules, administered by an independent third party that can be used as a starting point to negotiate better arrangements to the benefit of all parties. They can also be used as a fallback should negotiations stall.
No they are not, you are correct. They are Treaties to destroy the independence of the people of this country and the sovereignty of the british parliament.But those treaties are nothing to do with WTO rules versus the single market.
Possibly but as usual for a remainer you miss the point. Independence and sovereignty first, trade second.Which is why noone does as they are crap.