Surely you mean 37% of the voting population?No of course not.
That would suggest that half the population of the UK were taken for a ride.
Bit pedantic SF.Apart from we couldn't just leave 4 years ago. That is not how it works. So we are here. Next suggestion?
You said "just leave". On a marginal vote.Bit pedantic SF.
We could have given notice and been out in two years.
It would have required some positive leadership but it could have been done.
Ultimately only time will tell. My concern is how we build our industry back up when we've sold it already.I still believe that to make it a long term success we have to go no deal and ditch the withdrawal treaty. as said before we cannot be half in half out. I am old enough to remember us before joining the EU, when we had a huge manufacturing industry and fishing industry. This has been sold off or given away. most of all I believe in our national spirit and inventiveness , we seem to do better when challenged and I do not doubt that they will make it hard for us but long term we will prosper. Rant over sorry
Because we would apply import duty on goods coming in from countries without a free trade deal.If we get better trading terms than under the EU, then fair play.
If not we lose. It's that simple.
How does importing more than we export to the EU, result in us collecting more duty than we pay?
That needs an army of customs officials who do not yet exist.Because we would apply import duty on goods coming in from countries without a free trade deal.
Fair enough. I should have said just give notice to leave. The mechanism to leave in 2 years was already in place.You said "just leave". On a marginal vote.
Odd comment about the media. Most papers supported Leave.Fair enough. I should have said just give notice to leave. The mechanism to leave in 2 years was already in place.
All votes are 'marginal', that's why we have them. Leave won in a vote organised by the pro remain government who, with the almost total support of the media, expected to win handsomely.
They misread the situation in the country.
Not following this.What about imports from the EU though?
Won't there be duties applied by exporters?
No, we will pay more for the goods in the long run since the prices will go up to reflect the tariffs.Not following this.
Generally tariffs are applied by the importer country on goods coming in, and paid for by whoever is doing the exporting.
Since we import much more from the EU than we export to them, then, all things being equal, we will receive more in tariffs than we pay to them.
All imports are paid electronically before entering the country, we do this already. Since the start of the year we have signed 50 free trade agreements with other countries with more to follow so its not all bad news.That needs an army of customs officials who do not yet exist.
Not if you buy from a free trade country or British, also VAT with be reduced or removed from some goods. lets go back to buying British.No, we will pay more for the goods in the long run since the prices will go up to reflect the tariffs.
There is more to the MSM than the newspapers even assuming what you say is true. Broadcast media was overwhelmingly pro remain and that is still the case today.Odd comment about the media. Most papers supported Leave.
I give you the decision was Leave. But the leading lights soon changed their mind what that actually meant. Farage himself said only a madman would leave the Customs Union.
True but in all probability there sales will reduce as we source similar goods elsewhere. If those selling into this country want to keep their market share they may have to lower their prices.No, we will pay more for the goods in the long run since the prices will go up to reflect the tariffs.
Yes and most of them are worth about 10p.All imports are paid electronically before entering the country, we do this already. Since the start of the year we have signed 50 free trade agreements with other countries with more to follow so its not all bad news.
Then we will have to sign more of them then!Yes and most of them are worth about 10p.
For negative read realistic.Then we will have to sign more of them then!
Remainers seem determined to be negative and pessimistic, although given the quite disgraceful performance from our government over the last four years I am beginning to feel the same.
Not quite there yet but if Boris does cave, as seems likely, all hope that I have for this country will be gone.
Your turn to explain. Convince/entertain me. Seriously.For negative read realistic.
I voted remain. Leave won. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. What I want now is a proper deal that respects rights of UK citizens. And doesn't trash them going after some fantasy.
It's not about pessimistic, it's realism. They've wanted No-deal all along. This final bit of posturing is to make it look like we tried so when it all goes tits-up they can say it was the EU's fault.Then we will have to sign more of them then!
Remainers seem determined to be negative and pessimistic, although given the quite disgraceful performance from our government over the last four years I am beginning to feel the same.
Not quite there yet but if Boris does cave, as seems likely, all hope that I have for this country will be gone.
Who are 'they' in this scenario?It's not about pessimistic, it's realism. They've wanted No-deal all along. This final bit of posturing is to make it look like we tried so when it all goes tits-up they can say it was the EU's fault.
You will find out in due course.The bits that will be taken away if we leave? Which bits are those?
I'm serious SF, A lot of EU citizens living and working in the UK have applied to stay even assuming we leave.
Looks like workers voting with their feet to me.
Why do you have to be personally abusive?You will find out in due course.
Ever thought of retiring abroad, somewhere sunny, as a simple example?
If you retire abroad you still get your UK pension although frozen at the amount when you move. That will not change so? Point worth saying ! We do get the lowest pension amount in Europe, or certainly one of the lowestYou will find out in due course.
Ever thought of retiring abroad, somewhere sunny, as a simple example?
Have you checked the residency rules that allow you to live there? I guess not.If you retire abroad you still get your UK pension although frozen at the amount when you move. That will not change so? Point worth saying ! We do get the lowest pension amount in Europe, or certainly one of the lowest