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GTIF

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We met a team on song when we had an off night.
Now it seemed to me we never went out to win the match, or at least we were being ultra cautious.
Cags and Dan touched the ball 113 times between them in the first half.
That said I thought at 2-1 we could nick a point.
The sending off was 100% correct anyone who says otherwise is two things biased and wrong, and it did cost us, Perez went to do the player no other thought was in his mind.
For me we will still finish above West Ham but tonight was absolutely awful.
And a final thing if all our centre half were fit would you pick Cags?
I buckin wouldnt.
 
If you concentrate on the 1st 40 minutes, where we were 2nd best with 11 on the pitch.
Add a lucky result against Wolves, and there is a large dose of cracks being papered.
Bullied, battered and beaten all too easily.
 
GTIF said:
We met a team on song when we had an off night.
Now it seemed to me we never went out to win the match, or at least we were being ultra cautious.
Cags and Dan touched the ball 113 times between them in the first half.
That said I thought at 2-1 we could nick a point.
The sending off was 100% correct anyone who says otherwise is two things biased and wrong, and it did cost us, Perez went to do the player no other thought was in his mind.
For me we will still finish above West Ham but tonight was absolutely awful.
And a final thing if all our centre half were fit would you pick Cags?
I buckin wouldnt.
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I wouldn't I'm fact I'll have big dan before Soyunco
 
GTIF said:
We met a team on song when we had an off night.
Now it seemed to me we never went out to win the match, or at least we were being ultra cautious.
Cags and Dan touched the ball 113 times between them in the first half.
That said I thought at 2-1 we could nick a point.
The sending off was 100% correct anyone who says otherwise is two things biased and wrong, and it did cost us, Perez went to do the player no other thought was in his mind.
For me we will still finish above West Ham but tonight was absolutely awful.
And a final thing if all our centre half were fit would you pick Cags?
I buckin wouldnt.
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The fact you think Perez, yes Perez has gone to ‘do’ a player is hilarious.
Just because Neville said perez looked up & saw the player before making the tackle doesn’t make it true. Neville slowed it down & said ‘ there he’s looked up’ when he didn’t do nothing of the sort.
 
Ess I am not in the mood to read bullshit tonight.
He did look up seen what was coming and went for him.
For those saying he was pushed yes perhaps he was and if it was hard enough he would have fallen over, as it was he was composed enough to go for the player and not the ball.
It was a cowardly challenge and I didn't need Gary Neville to tell me that.
The fact that an experienced referee needed the briefest of glances to see it was clearly a red card says it all
 
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GTIF said:
Ess I am not in the mood to read bullshit tonight.
He did look up seen what was coming and went for him.
For those saying he was pushed yes perhaps he was and if it was hard enough he would have fallen over, as it was he was composed enough to go for the player and not the ball.
It was a cowardly challenge and I didn't need Gary Neville to tell me that.
The fact that an experienced referee needed the briefest of glances to see it clearly a red card says it all
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Gerry - you are right it was a stone bonker red card.
 
The entire starting XI had shockers but when you start with Amartey, Perez and Maddison then you’re already on the back foot.

There was zero leadership out on that pitch and it was obvious from 60 seconds in.
 
It was a red but he never intended to do him just really clumsy and he bottled out of the tackle
 
Brauny said:
If you concentrate on the 1st 40 minutes, where we were 2nd best with 11 on the pitch.
Add a lucky result against Wolves, and there is a large dose of cracks being papered.
Bullied, battered and beaten all too easily.
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Totally agree we got away with it against Wolves.
 
Yep we were shite in the second half against Wolves and completely rode our luck. Last night was nothing short of disgraceful. The defence obviously will improve when some of the injured lads return but that doesn’t excuse the crap midfield and attacking third displays.
Maddison and Perez can fuck right off. Useless spineless pair of cunts.
Not just the result that made last night so unbearable but the style of play. Felt like we spent 50% of it watching Soyuncu and Amartey pass to each other like hot potato.
Probably an overreaction. Still livid.
 
GTIF said:
Ess I am not in the mood to read bullshit tonight.
He did look up seen what was coming and went for him.
For those saying he was pushed yes perhaps he was and if it was hard enough he would have fallen over, as it was he was composed enough to go for the player and not the ball.
It was a cowardly challenge and I didn't need Gary Neville to tell me that.
The fact that an experienced referee needed the briefest of glances to see it was clearly a red card says it all
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Load of bollocks you try and and plant a foot deliberately when your unbalanced it ain't possible
 
kendalfox said:
Load of bollocks you try and and plant a foot deliberately when your unbalanced it ain't possible
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Exactly Kendal. It is simple biomechanics. I didn't realise there were so many amateur 'mind-readers' out there. In fact, the "experienced referee" who needed "the briefest of glances" in real time - with the best view of the incident in the entire stadium - didn't award cock-all until he saw the slo-mo replay. In my opinion (and I see Rodgers and Kaspar agree with me), the slow-motion replay gives the impression that the contact (since it wasn't even a challenge or tackle) was pre-meditated, when in reality an unbalanced, out-of-control player does not have the time or wherewithal for that sort of calculation...
 
Exactly right. Perez wasn't making a tackle. He was just balancing himself after being pushed.
Not a tackle.
Not a sending off.
Madness...
 
Brizzlfox said:
Exactly Kendal. It is simple biomechanics. I didn't realise there were so many amateur 'mind-readers' out there. In fact, the "experienced referee" who needed "the briefest of glances" in real time - with the best view of the incident in the entire stadium - didn't award cock-all until he saw the slo-mo replay. In my opinion (and I see Rodgers and Kaspar agree with me), the slow-motion replay gives the impression that the contact (since it wasn't even a challenge or tackle) was pre-meditated, when in reality an unbalanced, out-of-control player does not have the time or wherewithal for that sort of calculation...
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I usually have a lot of time for Gary Neville's summaries, but even he had to slow the footage right down & alluded to Perez looking up when unbalanced & pinpointing the actual moment when Perez decided he was going to leave one on the West Ham player.

I'm surprised he didn't bring out the magic marker & draw a line between Perez's eyes & where impact eventually took place, so there was no question.
 
We are not a strong scrapping side, Maddison, Perez & Tielemans is a weak midfield against a tough West Ham side, keep Tielemans in and play Soumare & Dewsbury Hall, get rid of the other 2. Soyuncu looks lost without Evans that’s why we need to spend a lot of money on Tarkowski as I can’t see Evans coming back for a good while. I would have Vardy on the bench and start Iheanacho or Daka or even both at the expense of Barnes. As for Perez and his red card, the more you watch it the worse it looks but just like Vestergaard on Vardy last season he was off balance and in the process of tripping over, don’t think he did it on purpose as he’s not that sort of player (or any sort of feckin player come to think of it)
Changes for the Norwich & Man City game are desperately needed…
 
Now I usually hold GTIF's opinion in high regard. But his dismissal of any dissenting opinion on this subject is particularly unedifying and irritating. Some would say it is indicative of the arrogant, egomaniacal tendencies of former referees, but I wouldn't dream of saying that. ;)
 
Brizzlfox said:
Now I usually hold GTIF's opinion in high regard. But his dismissal of any dissenting opinion on this subject is particularly unedifying and irritating. Some would say it is indicative of the arrogant, egomaniacal tendencies of former referees, but I wouldn't dream of saying that. ;)
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I’m a former Ref, didn’t think it was a red card, clumsy ‘yes’ reckless with intent to harm ‘no’
 
Brizzlfox said:
Exactly Kendal. It is simple biomechanics. I didn't realise there were so many amateur 'mind-readers' out there. In fact, the "experienced referee" who needed "the briefest of glances" in real time - with the best view of the incident in the entire stadium - didn't award cock-all until he saw the slo-mo replay. In my opinion (and I see Rodgers and Kaspar agree with me), the slow-motion replay gives the impression that the contact (since it wasn't even a challenge or tackle) was pre-meditated, when in reality an unbalanced, out-of-control player does not have the time or wherewithal for that sort of calculation...
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Except for the fact the refs view on the pitch was blocked but hey lets ignore tye facts
 
Brizzlfox said:
Now I usually hold GTIF's opinion in high regard. But his dismissal of any dissenting opinion on this subject is particularly unedifying and irritating. Some would say it is indicative of the arrogant, egomaniacal tendencies of former referees, but I wouldn't dream of saying that. ;)
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It's more a case of not saying it wasn't a red card just because it's one of ours
 
GTIF said:
It's more a case of not saying it wasn't a red card just because it's one of ours
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Hopefully Perez won’t be ‘one of ours’ for much longer, a cart horse that is being pulled along by our ‘show pony’ Maddison…
 
GTIF said:
It's more a case of not saying it wasn't a red card just because it's one of ours
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Again - arrogant dismissal of dissenting opinion and now application of imagined motives...As Kendal states, I stand by what I saw and what I know of simple human biomechanics...
 
Once the VAR had suggested the ref looked at the screen he was always going to send the player off. It’s the new way to justify having VAR.
 
Lesson learnt I hope....against west ham some were too soft and they took advantage.
Yes the injuries in defence don't help but again this one up front clearly hasn't/doesn't work.
For naarwich I'd go with 4 3 3.
Kasper Ricardo vester(if fit) cags Bertrand
Wilf youri soumare
Barnes vardy and either daka or nacho.
 
Law 12:

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES
  • Serious foul play

SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
 
I would go for Praet instead of Madison and Daka for Vardy we over rely on Barnes and when he is double marked we have little ammunition to feed the strikers with, if Tielemans is off colour or marked tightly like last night
 
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