Theoretically…….

astleyfox

astleyfox

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Enzo was at Citeh, but had made it clear that he wanted to manage. If Top had done the right thing, and binned TCR six months earlier, and signed him at that time, would we have stayed up?
 
But in a strange way I’m not sore it would have done us much good in the long term. This season would have been like shooting fish in a barrel in the PL. There would have been no chance of trying to implement Enzoball as it would have been impossible due to coming up against PL opposition every week.
Here in the championship it’s slowly slowly. Get used to the system, make mistakes but in the end be better for it. Although the way it’s going right now, it’s more like quickly quickly. I’m now content we went down, enjoy this for a season and hopefully go up and stay up for many years to come.
 
astleyfox said:
Enzo was at Citeh, but had made it clear that he wanted to manage. If Top had done the right thing, and binned TCR six months earlier, and signed him at that time, would we have stayed up?
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We would have stayed up with almost anyone in charge other than that charlatan.
Don’t believe some on here who while it was happening were giving Rodgers some slack by saying the team weren’t good enough.
Of course they were more than good enough to stay up, but if you have someone pulling the strings who was purposely sabotaging the club due to being a sulky sod because he couldn’t get his own way then you don’t stand a chance.
 
We would have still lost Fat Boy (on a free) and Madders (but maybe for more dosh than we got), but not Barnes or some of the others such as Castagne and Soumare had we stayed up. So we would, probably, have received less transfer income and would have a much higher wage bill than we now have. Yes we'd have Premier league income rather than parachute funding, but would we be any better off financially and would we have been able to bring in any new recruits to replace Fat Boy and Madders?
 
Nomadic Fox said:
Dean Smith would have kept us up if he'd come in straight after the Palace game.
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This is almost certainly true. Those two games with Sadler and Stowell cost us massively.
DagenhamFox said:
They reckon it’s about a £100m loss for relegation. I think I’d rather stayed up and tried to implement the new system this season with possibly better players. Relegation is a huge risk. It looks like we’ll bounce back straight away but if we don’t it may ruin us for years.
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If we go up some people will no doubt be saying our relegation was a 'blessing in disguise', but it didn't feel that way on the last day of last season. And it definitely wouldn't feel that way if we were in Southampton's position right now.
 
Nomadic Fox said:
Dean Smith would have kept us up if he'd come in straight after the Palace game.
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I might have agreed with that if the next game had been the following weekend but with the midweek game I think that needs to be corrected to "before" the Palace game as I don't think 3 games in a week gives a new manager any time to prepare a team, only to give different words of encouragement. The other fly in the ointment of that theory is Fulham away. He'd had plenty of time by that point to see what was needed and, well...! Of course had he managed to get something more from Villa & Bournemouth it might have made that moot but I remain convinced that regardless of how many of us feel he should have gone a lot earlier, the International break after Brentford was the latest it should have been done.
 
I certainly do not view relegation as a blessing in disguise and have some sympathy with Ess's view that almost anyone would have kept us up had TCR been dispensed with earlier. Almost anyone would have seen the stupidity of persisting with Ward and Soumare, particularly the former.
But now we have Enzo we should cherish him, because some of the stuff he has achieved since his arrival has been amazing both in terms of results, team attitude and the way we play.
 
DagenhamFox said:
It looks like we’ll bounce back straight away but if we don’t it may ruin us for years.
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I view it much like a game of Snakes & Ladders. Last season was a snake but without relegation it could have been a short snake, relegation is undoubtedly a significantly longer snake (how long will depend on how long it takes us to get up) and on a part of the board where ladders are short so we are going to be dependent on throwing a shit load of 6's (getting Enzo looks to be the first of them) to get back to where we should/could have been.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
I might have agreed with that if the next game had been the following weekend but with the midweek game I think that needs to be corrected to "before" the Palace game as I don't think 3 games in a week gives a new manager any time to prepare a team, only to give different words of encouragement. The other fly in the ointment of that theory is Fulham away. He'd had plenty of time by that point to see what was needed and, well...! Of course had he managed to get something more from Villa & Bournemouth it might have made that moot but I remain convinced that regardless of how many of us feel he should have gone a lot earlier, the International break after Brentford was the latest it should have been done.
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You’ll remember Buz we spoke about it leaving Palace. Had Brentford been a shit show he may have gone. But it was an alright performance, unfortunately enough to keep him in his job.
 
First half was, I think, as bad a performance as I have ever seen from our lot. And, like many others on here, I have seen a few of those.

Almost worth it's own thread. Off hand, I would offer first half at Plymouth, Easter Sat in about 07 (got Rob Kelly the tin tack) and the infamous 0-5 at Oxford in perhaps 1987, where some lads in the Cuckoo Lane end sat down on the terraces in the first half, to play cards. Think we were already 0-3 at the time
 
People naturally pinpoint games/ situations at the back end of the season, but the most disgraceful display was losing to chelsea ( a shit chelsea don’t forget) when they had 10 men for over an hour & it was even 0-0 when he got sent off.
 
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