Cutting net migration .....

Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Some of the apprenticeships available now are a good alternative to university.



They weren't conned, it's all known before committing to doing the courses. It is a lot of money but they don't pay it back until earnings reach a certain level, then it's taken from wages at source at an affordable rate.
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You sound like Rishi Sunak.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
One of the reasons universities don't have enough money and students are drowning in debt is because every man and his dog can go now.
when i went it was something like 8% of the population went into undergraduate studies and 1% to masters or phd's.
Only specialist jobs required science degrees (which both mine are) meaning your degree had worth in the marketplace and got you a better paying job in the long run.
That amount was manageable for a centrally funded higher education system, and those graduates contributed more taxes (to help pay for the 'free' further education they got) due to better paying jobs.
Nowadays most jobs seem to require a degree for no reason, so a lot more people seem to think they need to get one. The govt hasn't improved things by sending more people to college, they've lowered the standards to let more people in, lowered the historical value of a degree, and put a millstone of debt around the necks of a generation of young people.
My parents were working class, they left school with no qualifications and drilled into me that getting an education was a way to get up the ladder financially so i would have a better life than them, and they were right, but i'm not so sure that's true for my kids generation.
If you weren't able to go to University because you're not cut out for academic life or could but chose not too that's fine too. there are many different ways of making money, none should be looked down on.
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Lots of sense in this Tuzz, my lad will be the first on my side of the family to (hopefully) go to University.
He's hoping to do medicine and will leave with a huge debt, that debt could go up massively if his fees go up due to foreign students deciding to go elsewhere.
 
hackneyfox said:
Lots of sense in this Tuzz, my lad will be the first on my side of the family to (hopefully) go to University.
He's hoping to do medicine and will leave with a huge debt, that debt could go up massively if his fees go up due to foreign students deciding to go elsewhere.
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Don't know why you bother Hackney - we've already had the view that a lot of Unis closing would be a good thing.

Given the way the NHS is being decimated, we'll all be self-treating, self-medicating & self-operating in the future anyway.

Experts & specialists are overrated.

Of course, if we do have some semblance of a national health system, then we may need to import even more medical & health professionals than we currently do - that, I'm sure will please some of the general public immensely.
 
Mistryman said:
Don't know why you bother Hackney - we've already had the view that a lot of Unis closing would be a good thing.

Given the way the NHS is being decimated, we'll all be self-treating, self-medicating & self-operating in the future anyway.

Experts & specialists are overrated.

Of course, if we do have some semblance of a national health system, then we may need to import even more medical & health professionals than we currently do - that, I'm sure will please some of the general public immensely.
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We don’t need an NHS, everyone should be private. It’s what Thatcher would have wanted. I’m sure Bookclub and Swanny will explain the benefits of private healthcare as they are both firmly in the Thatcher/ Starmer camp.
As far as medicines go, you don’t need to go to university to study medicine. Google is your friend.
 
Richardvanles said:
We don’t need an NHS, everyone should be private. It’s what Thatcher would have wanted. I’m sure Bookclub and Swanny will explain the benefits of private healthcare as they are both firmly in the Thatcher/ Starmer camp.
As far as medicines go, you don’t need to go to university to study medicine. Google is your friend.
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Private healthcare - fuck right off...
It should be banned.
Using NHS trained doctors, to fleece the fuck out of the nation.
 
is it bollock's, it's inflation linked. Good job getting a mortgage with that around your neck if you make a go of your career.
 
Education is now a huge money making business. They are not interested in grades, they are interested in how much money they can make.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Education is now a huge money making business. They are not interested in grades, they are interested in how much money they can make.
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Shame the lecturers don’t see it, many now on temporary contracts and all have seen a reduction in real pay for years now.
Too many at the top on obscene salaries.
 
hackneyfox said:
Lots of sense in this Tuzz, my lad will be the first on my side of the family to (hopefully) go to University.
He's hoping to do medicine and will leave with a huge debt, that debt could go up massively if his fees go up due to foreign students deciding to go elsewhere.
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I should also add, my sister has worked in University administration for decades.
Foreign students bring the big bucks in and a drop in their numbers does have financial consequences.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
They’re not badly paid are they?
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Those who are new to the job are probably on very poor contracts.
When you say not badly paid that’s obviously dependent on who you’re comparing them to, yes they’re on more than the average person, but not by a lot and they spent a long time in higher education to get the job, you need a PHD, that takes few years.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
I should also add, my sister has worked in University administration for decades.
Foreign students bring the big bucks in and a drop in their numbers does have financial consequences.
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Administrators (lower level) are no longer being replaced at Dr Hackney’s university (red brick) so a lot of that work is now expected to be done by lecturers.
 
hackneyfox said:
Those who are new to the job are probably on very poor contracts.
When you say not badly paid that’s obviously dependent on who you’re comparing them to, yes they’re on more than the average person, but not by a lot and they spent a long time in higher education to get the job, you need a PHD, that takes few years.
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So How much are they getting paid for hours worked? Just a rough example.
 
Pen4 said:
Had a look at Lecturer vacancies - typically the max is £54,500 + Pension and benefits.

No doubt they are all going to foodbanks
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Shocking, how dare anyone earn decent money.
jackieguaccamo said:
How many working hours is that for?
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They have to plan for lectures, set and mark work, hold tutorials, supervise assistants. They also have to do a certain amount of research.

There's nothing to stop you applying for a job.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Shocking, how dare anyone earn decent money.

They have to plan for lectures, set and mark work, hold tutorials, supervise assistants. They also have to do a certain amount of research.

There's nothing to stop you applying for a job.
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Woah BC, Hackneys saying it’s poor money you’re saying it’s decent money. Make your minds up.
 
Important word there was ‘max’.
Doc H has gone down to 60% on health grounds, that’s 60% of salary. Her hours are meant to reflect that, that certainly isn’t the case, it’s not as if it’s a set amount of work every week but I reckon she probably still does at least 40 hours a week, she’s working now, and on top of that she does at least 10 hours a week for the union. Those hours are meant to reflected in her lecturing/teaching/research hours.
I reckon she should be doing 22 plus 10 whereas she’s doing at least 40 plus 10.
The university are currently trying to force her to teach an extra new module next year, a subject she has no background in so that will take his knows how long to pick up.
Her students absolutely love her but will lose her as she’ll be forced to retire on medical grounds due to ill health and workload before much longer.
She studied economics and some of those she was at university with went to work in the city, they’re earning fuck knows how much and have just had their bonus caps removed.
 
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