Hearing that the Arizona recount has finished

For much of the last week I have been trying to get up to speed on the election, it is very difficult. Most of the information is being blocked, even basic facts that there are investigations are quite hard to find.

Specifics are non existent in many cases, it is difficult to find out what is and is not being disputed, Arizona is disputed but no checks are being done on the actual ballots, strange. It is very difficult to get a real feel for this, the alleged fraud is of a huge, spectacular scale and there appears to be plenty of evidence, be very interesting what gets to court.

All way above my level of understanding but some people I chat to on these matters and who have been very on the ball so far, suggest a Trump victory with around 289-305 electoral votes. We shall see.
 
It is weird, because having spoken to friends in Mesa AZ, they too can find no evidence of a recount in Arizona.

The local news is that Biden won fair & square after the first count.

Apologies for bringing specifics into it.
 
  • In Arizona, Trump's campaign dropped a legal challenge of a number of ballots in Maricopa County, saying Biden's overall lead in the state is too big for the disputed ballots to make a difference.
 
So far 20 trump campaign lawsuits have either been thrown out or withdrawn, but of course trump is still asking for donations to help pay off campaign debts, it's a long con
 
A friend of mine put in a lot of work on the ground, hoping to turn Arizona blue .

She sadly passed away just 2 weeks short of her fiftieth birthday in August. No doubt she will be looking down & smiling now.

RIP Ebony.
 
It's lawfare.

Right now the fight is to get some of these suits to court. At this level the legal process is dominated by Democrats and anti Trumpers and they will block and disrupt for all they can.

Some of the small scale stuff is miss direction, pretty much of the he/said she/said variety and the really big stuff is very technical. They a fighting to be able to put this before a court in a way that it can be understood and analysed.

(Bit like complex fraud cases in the uk, special provision has to be made as the issues are too complex for regular duties and some jurists too.)

From what I can see, they have until 14th December to sort this out, if they do not, the House of Representatives make the call, voting by Delegation (State). Trump has the numbers, 26, to win that, but expect a very dirty fight.
 
There hasn't been a recount in Arizona, and it's highly unlikely that there will one, arizona rules state the final count must be within 200 votes to trigger a recount.
 
So the premise of the op was incorrect.

Can only speculate as to why you'd post something false, prehaps needs better sources
 
BarrowFox said:
There hasn't been a recount in Arizona, and it's highly unlikely that there will one, arizona rules state the final count must be within 200 votes to trigger a recount.
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Indeed. The Republicans believe there to be wide scale fraud in Arizona but can't 'get at it' as it is protected by state Law.

As it stands the Biden vote is solid, any fraud that can be shown is too small to have an effect on the outcome.

The republicans do have, what they believe, to be real evidence of large scale fraud in other states so that is where they are concentrating their efforts. As I said earlier, explaining computer fraud to a 'regular' court is tricky, it is a complex issue and needs to be done with care and attention.
 
Can you point to any actual references to this large scale fraud? Beyond a few claims to such I've not seen anything that they have put before a court that backs your claims.
 
There is no fraud. As barrow said above, these lawsuits are all about paying off the campaign detect and nothing else.

Check the small print on the donation sites, it says in black and white that 60% will be used to pay off the debt.
 
BarrowFox said:
Can you point to any actual references to this large scale fraud? Beyond a few claims to such I've not seen anything that they have put before a court that backs your claims.
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As yet, nothing substantial has gone before a court. This is just skirmishing.

The next 4 or so weeks will be interesting, getting some of this stuff before a court will be difficult enough, getting it reported in an even handed manner even harder.

Wait and see.
 
AFCDorset said:
As yet, nothing substantial has gone before a court. This is just skirmishing.

The next 4 or so weeks will be interesting, getting some of this stuff before a court will be difficult enough, getting it reported in an even handed manner even harder.

Wait and see.
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What stuff though?

So nothing
AFCDorset said:
As yet, nothing substantial has gone before a court. This is just skirmishing.

The next 4 or so weeks will be interesting, getting some of this stuff before a court will be difficult enough, getting it reported in an even handed manner even harder.

Wait and see.
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Just rumours then
 
But you are not giving a heads up. Just spouting more unproven crap.
Nothing you or the OP has so far posted has contained any facts.
 
AFCDorset said:
Please yourself.

I am giving a heads up from a different perspective, take it as you will.
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Im not trying to pick a fight, simply asking for you to add some meat to the claims that you are stating.

So far it seems the that claims of fraud are unsubstantiated and unfounded, this may of course change if any actual evidence is presented.

In the mean time trump continues to fund raise and skim of an income from the maga faithful / Marks
 
BarrowFox said:
Im not trying to pick a fight, simply asking for you to add some meat to the claims that you are stating.

So far it seems the that claims of fraud are unsubstantiated and unfounded, this may of course change if any actual evidence is presented.

In the mean time trump continues to fund raise and skim of an income from the maga faithful / Marks
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Appreciate that BarrowF.

I see quite a lot of stuff, but as we know this is not coming from 'reliable' (sarc) main stream media, TV in the US will not touch this at all so there is no investigation and sorting the wheat from the undoubted chaff as normally happens in such important matters.

Independent news find themselves removed from social media and 'cancelled', so you have to dig deep for information and as there is little or no exchange of views or investigation, there is no filter or analysis. Some genuine information is out there, but there is plenty of garbage too, it is genuinely hard to tell.

In very broad terms, I believe that the DOJ is investigating large scale computer fraud that took place overseas. They believe that the manipulation of huge numbers of votes occurred and that there is evidence of how and when that happened.

Getting this data into a form that can be presented as evidence in a court, is where they are now. This is not exactly being done in public so we only have snippets and rumours, rumours that suggest fraud on an epic scale that will overturn the results in 4 or 5 states.

This is the 'biggie', sure there is plenty of smaller scale fraud operations, like layers of the onion, but the 'computer switch' is where the election was 'stolen'. The fight at the moment is to get this information into evidence and into the public domain. MSM and the 'deep state' will fight tooth and nail to block this.
 
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